Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders

[John Mytton]

I have no doubt the bag that was photographed leaving the building at 3pm is the same bag that was not photographed in the corner. The bag and bottle also leaving were photographed. As were the shells and rifle. The same rifle that was removed by Day at 2pm. Why is the bag the odd one out?

Did Montgomery first "find the bag"? Seems Johnson claimed he did, as did Montgomery in later interviews. It was so obvious to them it was perfect to transport a rifle......why no photo in place?

The bag was in the building, why didn't they just put the bag in the sniper's nest and just photograph it?
Or did they come up with the idea later?
Or are they using the bag to transport the window ledge strip? LOL!

JohnM

[Colin Crow]

The bag was in the building, why didn't they just put the bag in the sniper's nest and just photograph it?
Or did they come up with the idea later?
Or are they using the bag to transport the window ledge strip? LOL!

JohnM

They obviously think it’s evidence.......fail to photograph in place. Then remove from the building upside down and contaminating the inside with something. Are they trying to get all those fibres out before the FBI can check?

As for the window strip. You need to ask which one was originally removed. The left or right. Which way did the cops in the SN believe the assassin fired before 3 pm? Facing towards the underpass or towards Houston?

[John Mytton]

They obviously think it’s evidence.......fail to photograph in place. Then remove from the building upside down and contaminating the inside with something. Are they trying to get all those fibres out before the FBI can check?

As for the window strip. You need to ask which one was originally removed. The left or right. Which way did the cops in the SN believe the assassin fired before 3 pm? Facing towards the underpass or towards Houston?

They obviously think it’s evidence.......fail to photograph in place. Then remove from the building upside down and contaminating the inside with something. Are they trying to get all those fibres out before the FBI can check?

Geez Colin, it's easy to take weak jabs at Policing from over half a century ago but how does any of that change the fact that 6 Police Officers testified to seeing a long Paper bag with Oswald's prints right next a large box which also had Oswald's fingerprints, how much evidence do you need??

JohnM

[Colin Crow]

Geez Colin, it's easy to take weak jabs at Policing from over half a century ago but how does any of that change the fact that 6 Police Officers testified to seeing a long Paper bag with Oswald's prints right next a large box which also had Oswald's fingerprints, how much evidence do you need??

JohnM

Sorry to evoke gravity John but Richard Smith felt it appropriate to "use the force" to explain how an unsealed paper bag end could be folded so that an 8 lb rifle could be contained during transport. Had the Dallas police never heard of it?

Weak jabs eh....seems the process of photographing evidence in place was known to Studebaker, he did do that for the other pieces of evidence didn’t he? Shells, rifle, lunch sacks, pop bottles and boxes. There is even news film of some of these being dusted but no bag. Why not the wrapper that all felt so strongly was used to transport a rifle? He even dusted it for prints didn’t he? Found a partial print and taped it, right.

Or we getting our bags confused? Perhaps the long sack was made to hold the rifle and the rifle had actually been inside. Made from materials on the first floor just like the FBI determined. When was it made? When it was in the SN were Oswald's prints on it? It was taken to HQ at 3pm and locked away until given to Vince Drain wasn’t it? No one else saw it according to the documentation. Oh, except for Buell Frazier, just before Drain took it. No one else though. After all, the police wouldn’t confront the accused with material evidence would they.

[Richard Smith]

Sorry to evoke gravity John but Richard Smith felt it appropriate to "use the force" to explain how an unsealed paper bag end could be folded so that an 8 lb rifle could be contained during transport. Had the Dallas police never heard of it?

Weak jabs eh....seems the process of photographing evidence in place was known to Studebaker, he did do that for the other pieces of evidence didn’t he? Shells, rifle, lunch sacks, pop bottles and boxes. There is even news film of some of these being dusted but no bag. Why not the wrapper that all felt so strongly was used to transport a rifle? He even dusted it for prints didn’t he? Found a partial print and taped it, right.

Or we getting our bags confused? Perhaps the long sack was made to hold the rifle and the rifle had actually been inside. Made from materials on the first floor just like the FBI determined. When was it made? When it was in the SN were Oswald's prints on it? It was taken to HQ at 3pm and locked away until given to Vince Drain wasn’t it? No one else saw it according to the documentation. Oh, except for Buell Frazier, just before Drain took it. No one else though. After all, the police wouldn’t confront the accused with material evidence would they.

If you believe Oswald was framed, what difference would it make had the bag been photographed?  The rifle and shells were photographed and CTers still believe those were planted.  I'm not sure how photographing the bag moves the ball or how not photographing it makes any difference.  It's difficult to also understand what is being suggested.   That Oswald didn't carry a long bag that day?  That Frazier lied about this for some unknown reason.  That the conspirators/police behind the frame up of Oswald forgot to plant it, but then it suddenly occurred to them after months or years of planning.  And that they constructed one and somehow got six DPD members to lie about it but for some reason couldn't photograph it on the 6th floor?  That counter narrative doesn't add up to anything plausible. It's grasping at straws. We will never know for certain why it wasn't photographed.  My best guess is that the authorities were not initially looking for a bag or paying it much attention.  The floor was full of stuff.  They are looking for a gun, shells, a suspect.  It takes them a while to link the bag to the assassin.  Maybe it gets moved around during the search etc.  Memories get confused because they didn't take much notice, it gets moved, some notice it but others do not.  Who knows?  The fact remains that Oswald carried a long bag, this is the only such bag found, it has Oswald's prints on it, it is located next to the SN.  I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots.  The implication, however, that it was planted necessitates a wildly implausible scenario.

[Gary Craig]

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=40395&relPageId=86

Lillian Mooneyham
a.Dallas County clerk watching motorcade from Judge King's windows on the second floor, southwest corner, Criminal
Courts Building, with Mrs. Rose Clark and Jeanette hooker.
b.Heard three shots(?)
c.Heard first shot;saw President slump; thought it was Firecracker.
d.Second and third shots were closer together.
e.Saw Mrs. Kennedy climb on back of car.
f.Mooneyham went Judge Hyer's windows on the third floor of Records Building.
g.People running to pergola.
h.41/2 to 5 minutes after shots she sees man standing behind some boxes on the 6th floor, TSBD.

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http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=69117

"The panel studied two photographs taken within minutes of the assassination. While no human face or form could be detected
in the sixth floor southeast window, the panel was able to conclude that a stack of boxes had been rearranged during the
interval of the taking of the two photographs."

 

[Martin Weidmann]

If you believe Oswald was framed, what difference would it make had the bag been photographed?  The rifle and shells were photographed and CTers still believe those were planted.  I'm not sure how photographing the bag moves the ball or how not photographing it makes any difference.  It's difficult to also understand what is being suggested.   That Oswald didn't carry a long bag that day?  That Frazier lied about this for some unknown reason.  That the conspirators/police behind the frame up of Oswald forgot to plant it, but then it suddenly occurred to them after months or years of planning.  And that they constructed one and somehow got six DPD members to lie about it but for some reason couldn't photograph it on the 6th floor?  That counter narrative doesn't add up to anything plausible. It's grasping at straws. We will never know for certain why it wasn't photographed.  My best guess is that the authorities were not initially looking for a bag or paying it much attention.  The floor was full of stuff.  They are looking for a gun, shells, a suspect.  It takes them a while to link the bag to the assassin.  Maybe it gets moved around during the search etc.  Memories get confused because they didn't take much notice, it gets moved, some notice it but others do not.  Who knows?  The fact remains that Oswald carried a long bag, this is the only such bag found, it has Oswald's prints on it, it is located next to the SN.  I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots.  The implication, however, that it was planted necessitates a wildly implausible scenario.

The implication, however, that it was planted necessitates a wildly implausible scenario.

Planted by whom? Don't you first need to determine that before you dismiss it als a "wildly implausible scenario"?