Proving the passage was clear.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Proving the passage was clear.
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2019, 06:29:14 AM »
So we can't be confident that Mr Dougherty brought down the west elevator just after the assassination?

I would say no.

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Proving the passage was clear.
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2019, 07:06:54 AM »
Why even bother?

Do you mean as a comment in addressing my original post? If so you didn't.

If it was a comment relating to the original investigation, they didn't.

We are left with the situation that either Dougherty moved the elevator or an unknown did, someone who was not an employee or an accused assassin.
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Proving the passage was clear.
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2019, 07:40:11 AM »
What other testimony of an early descent?

You are right. There were only four women in that office.Hollies and Foster were in another room.

Styles was adamant that they never left right away. No less than a minute she said. If they did leave early and missed Truly and Baker then they must have really been going. And in three inch heels at at that. Oswald wouldn't have had to sneak past Garner because he would have already passed by before she went back into that area. With the speedsters in their three inch heeled shoes clop clop clopping on the wooden stairs, Oswald was able to follow behind, with any noise that he may have been making being drowned out by that of the speedsters.

 

The information was counted as unimportant. I seem to recall Garner saying that she was the first to go to the back after Adams and Styles had left.

Styles was adamant that they never left right away. No less than a minute she said. If they did leave early and missed Truly and Baker then they must have really been going. And in three inch heels at at that. Oswald wouldn't have had to sneak past Garner because he would have already passed by before she went back into that area. With the speedsters in their three inch heeled shoes clop clop clopping on the wooden stairs, Oswald was able to follow behind, with any noise that he may have been making being drowned out by that of the speedsters.

The problem with this is that Baker said as he arrived on the 2nd floor he saw movement through the window in the door and stopped to investigate. This movement, according to the tale, was Oswald going into the lunchroom. Truly however had already nearly reached the third floor when he noticed Baker wasn't following and he turned around. If Adams and Styles had been behind Oswald, Truly would have had to bump into to them on the stairs. He didn't.




Offline Anthony Clayden

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Re: Proving the passage was clear.
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2019, 08:36:02 PM »
They were in the supply room on the southwest corner which had a cage north wall. They would have had a view of the staircase.

Any particular reason to prefer Styles over Adams?

Any good reason to think they ?drowned out? anything, or is it just a convenient excuse?

John,

The other to consider is that the people in the supply store may have also noticed Garner arrive in the area just to to the north of them, but no one asked them.
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Online John Mytton

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Re: Proving the passage was clear.
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2019, 11:05:40 PM »
They were in the supply room on the southwest corner which had a cage north wall. They would have had a view of the staircase.

Do you have any photos?

All I could find is the floor plan which shows that the supply room is quite a distance away and in addition the other side was a storage area.



Here's a view of the staircase from the 6th floor, OHS be buggered!



And some more "storages spaces" on other floors.







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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Proving the passage was clear.
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2019, 11:37:57 PM »
Do you have any photos?

All I could find is the floor plan which shows that the supply room is quite a distance away and in addition the other side was a storage area.



Here's a view of the staircase from the 6th floor, OHS be buggered!



And some more "storages spaces" on other floors.







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I am sure you can show more photos of store rooms, but as long as they are not of the store room on the 4th floor those pics are meaningless

Online John Mytton

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Re: Proving the passage was clear.
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2019, 11:51:14 PM »
I am sure you can show more photos of store rooms, but as long as they are not of the store room on the 4th floor those pics are meaningless

Why so confrontational, just relax and let's think this through.

I already stated that I don't have any photos of the fourth floor and simply asked if John had any.

But what we do have is photos of the other storage areas on the first, fifth and sixth floors and what these show is how they repeatedly utilized their space demonstrating a consistent behaviour and is fair way to determine the possibilities on the 4th floor.

JohnM
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