What In The World Are Westbrook's "Me, Calvery, and Reed(?)" Doing Up There?

[John Iacoletti]

Amazing he doesn't know the timing of the Wiegman film and therefore doesn't realize that Truly, Campbell and Reid were "captured" in it, standing near the steps when the shots started ringing out.

Feel free to point out Truly, Campbell and Reid in the Wiegman film.

PS  I wonder if he even realizes that Hugh Betzner and Abraham Zapruder were almost directly in each other's camera's line of sight when Betzner-3 and Z-186 were simultaneously taken, that the group comprised of Jacob, Holt, and headscarf-wearing Simmons were in front of and just a little to the left of Zapruder in Betzner-3 and, conversely, in front of and just a little off to the right of Hugh Betzner in Z-186, thereby proving that Westbrook's "Me, Gloria Calvery, and Possibly Carol Reed" in Zapruder were, in reality, the following all-pretty-much-the-same-height ladies: light-blue headscarf-wearing Sharron Simmons, light-haired Gloria Holt, and dark-complexioned, self-described American Indian, Stella Mae Jacob?

This is such BS.  You're claiming to be able to positively identify Simmons, Holt, and Jacob in this?

[Thomas Graves]

Feel free to point out Truly, Campbell and Reid in the Wiegman film.

This is such BS.  You're claiming to be able to positively identify Simmons, Holt, and Jacob in this?

Iacoletti,

Self-described "American Indian," dark-complected Stella Mae Jacob is immediate off-stage-right in the cropped photo you posted, but I believe any truly open-minded person can see that Gloria Holt, next to "her," has light-colored hair.

Can't you? 

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy   

[John Iacoletti]

Self-described "American Indian," dark-complected Stella Mae Jacob is immediate off-stage-right in the cropped photo you posted, but I believe any truly open-minded person can see that Gloria Holt, next to "her," has light-colored hair.

LOL.  You see what you want to see.

[Thomas Graves]

LOL.  You see what you want to see.

Iacoletti,

You were making a big stink about the apparent difference in height between, I guess, Westbrook's and your "Karen Westbrook" and her two companions in said black and white clip (LOL "Gloria Cavery" and "Possibly Carol Reed"/Stella "Runaway" Mae Jacob until, that is, I showed you a few days ago that the light-colored-headscarf-wearing gal only seemed a lot taller than the crying, light-haired girl next to her and the dark-complected gal next to her only because she hadn't quite yet stepped down to a lower level (on the pergola patio step, or the grass, or whatever).

Bottom line: those three young women in that short Darnell clip were about the same height, after all, as can be seen by looking at the same three gals in Betzner-3 and the Zapruder film.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

[John Iacoletti]

Bottom line: those three young women in that short Darnell clip were about the same height, after all, as can be seen by looking at the same three gals in Betzner-3 and the Zapruder film.

That doesn't tell you where they are standing on Elm street.  As we see in the Christmas photos, Calvery and Westbrook were about the same height too (Westbrook slightly taller).  And nobody knows how tall Jacob or Holt were either.

[John Iacoletti]

John, I'm trying to figure out your take of the three women in DP. It appears that the Z film and the Betzner film show the same three women (I've given up trying to keep track of their names).

I agree.  Zapruder and Betzner (and Bronson) do appear to show the same women.  The question at hand though is whether it's definitive that the Darnell clip taken much later at a different location shows the same 3 women, or whether it's just a guess based on a lot of handwaving.  Because in Zapruder, Betzner, Willis, and Bronson you cannot see any facial details.

[Thomas Graves]

Iacoletti,

You were making a big stink about the apparent difference in height between, I guess, Westbrook's and your "Karen Westbrook" and her two companions in the very short black-and-white Darnell clip (LOL ... gasp! ... "Gloria Cavery?" and "Possibly Carol Reed?"/Stella "Runaway" Mae Jacob?) until, that is, I showed you a few days ago that the light-colored-headscarf-wearing gal only seemed a lot taller than the crying, light-haired girl next to her (and the dark-complected gal next to her), because she hadn't quite yet stepped down to a lower level (on the pergola patio step, or the grass, or whatever).

Bottom line: those three young women in that short Darnell clip were about the same height, after all, as can be seen not only in at the very end of the Darnell clip, by looking at the same three gals in Betzner-3 and the Zapruder film, as well.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

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