How to frame Oswald?

[Bill Chapman]

Frame-Up Tips for Dummies

1) Don't plant Oswald behind the motorcade and then claim the shots came from the front
2) See #1

[Zeon Mason]

My opinion currently is that if it is possible that Jack Dougherty took the West elevator down passing by Baker and Truly AND also Dorothy Garner, and the elevator not seen moving,  that is it therefore EQUALLY possible that 1 or 2 shooters from the 6th floor could have done likewise.

Since Jack Dougherty 's elevator trip and subsequent apparent conversation with Eddie Piper is NOT confirmed by either Piper NOR by Troy West, then its EQUALLY possible that Troy West and Piper did not see a shooter or shooters upon reaching 1st floor on  that same elevator.

The time of this descent by either Jack or the shooter(s) from 6th floor must have been only after Truly had looked up the shaft as late as 70 sec post shots, before he and Baker went up the staircase. Its possible the West elevator could have come down passing the 2nd floor landing in the 15 second interval of time Baker and Truly are engaged with Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom. However, the top of the elevator should have been visible when Truly/Baker leave lunchroom and cross past the shaft.


This leaves that the West elevator came down JUST AS Baker and Truly have ascended about half way up the 2nd floor staircase. The time therefore would be about 1 minute 50 sec post shots, when West elevator is passing by the 2nd floor landing, and it stops at about 2 min post shots on the 1st floor, as Baker and Truly go past the elevator shaft on the 3rd floor, thus not seeing or hearing elevator or cables moving, OR seeing top of elevator when they passed by the shaft on 2nd floor landing.

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[Martin Weidmann]

Martin running from the facts.  Shocking. I read here every single day that anyone who provided evidence against Oswald lied and/or might be part of the plot to frame him.  But then they run from the obvious implication of a large conspiracy due to the absurdity of it.  Very amusing that there is dim recognition that the implication of their theories having any validity would be absurd.  So contrarians like Martin always want to have it both ways even if inconsistent.   Everyone is suspect but they won't acknowledge the direct implication of their suspicion because it is laughable.  Imagine a Ruth Paine suburban Quaker housewife and master plotter behind the assassination!

Martin running from the facts.

This could have some meaning if you only had a basic understanding of what a fact really is. Since you don't, there isn't much more to say.

[Martin Weidmann]

I would say that Agent Smith has a flair for dramatics....but he doesn't.

Indeed.... hyperbole and strawman arguments are more his game.

But to some extend completely understandable as it lines up perfectly with the LN strategy of presenting anything else but 'Oswald did it alone' as an absurdity by blowing the whole thing out of all proportions.

[Louis Earl]

There are some weaknesses in lining up a bunch of facts to show how impossible it would have been for the framesters to put it all together.

If LHO was framed, why do we have to sign on to the argument that he was framed to shoot JFK from the TSBD?  Maybe LHO was being groomed/framed to shoot JFK (or someone else) from a location unknown to us?  Then, his hiring at the TSBD would be a fortuitous circumstance which is exactly what the LNs claim it was in the first place. 

[Bill Chapman]

Indeed.... hyperbole and strawman arguments are more his game.

But to some extend completely understandable as it lines up perfectly with the LN strategy of presenting anything else but 'Oswald did it alone' as an absurdity by blowing the whole thing out of all proportions.

All you lot have to do is prove that even one person other than your shooter(s) knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

[Zeon Mason]

My problem with the pre event set up of Oswald is the MC riifle with misaligned scope. The only way to really explain that is to suggest the conpirators, haviing waited until the very last night, of Thursday night in the middle of the night, to steal the rifle, thus having not much time to test fire it, and thus realize the scope was wildly off in the elevation, without the shim undere the mount to correct for that.

This presumes of course that Oswald actually DID order the riifle, and the FBI and or CIA knew he had the rifle, possibly thru information from Georger DeMorhenschildt, and or Mrs Paine who imo,were very likely CIA "assets" at the least, and had been assigned to observer Oswald as a potential USSR spy returning to USA with another potential USSR spy, his wife, Marinna. The rifle may have been actually used by Oswald to shoot one shot at Walker, and once that became known, probably by DeMorhenshildt, that's when the pre set up really begins.


If this is the correct scenario, then the reason not to have stolen the rifle from Oswald, until that VERY NIGHT, or in the very early hours of Friday morning, was to minimize the risk that Oswald would discover his rifle missing. This applies to his boarding house as well, which is also where Oswald may have kept his rifle instead of in the Paines garage.


Perhaps the reason for Oswald to be wishing to return to his boarding room after the shooting, apparently asap, is that it was to check to see if his worst suspicion were true, that his rifle may have been stolen. Upon finding that to be true, is why aOSwald DEPARTED in haste, from his boarding room, with a revolver, and his original destination may have been towards Jack Rubys house, rather than the Texas Theater.



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