BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[Alan Ford]

What do you hope to expose, Alan.....   You may be right in proposing that they were manipulating the curtain rod story.... but what does it prove?

That they were manipulating the curtain rod story because it needed manipulating:

-----------------two 27 1/2 inch curtain rods matching Ms Paine's description of her missing curtain rods had turned up in the Depository because
-----------------Mr Oswald had brought them to work on 11/22 in a bag estimated by Mr Frazier and Ms Randle to have been approx. 27 inches long when folded over at the top.

Lee denied that he had told Frazier that the 27 inch long sack, that was constructed of FLIMSY paper contained curtain rods.....Let's take a look at the scribbled notes....

I have already dealt with both points you raise, Mr Cakebread!

And I am unaware of any scribbled notes written by Mr Oswald while in custody.

Here however is part of Agent Hosty's scribbled notes from his 11/23 interview with Ms Paine:



Mr Oswald was in her garage the night before the assassination
------------to pick up curtain rods!

 

[Walt Cakebread]

That they were manipulating the curtain rod story because it needed manipulating:

-----------------two 27 1/2 inch curtain rods matching Ms Paine's description of her missing curtain rods had turned up in the Depository because
-----------------Mr Oswald had brought them to work on 11/22 in a bag estimated by Mr Frazier and Ms Randle to have been approx. 27 inches long when folded over at the top.

I have already dealt with both points you raise, Mr Cakebread!

And I am unaware of any scribbled notes written by Mr Oswald while in custody.

Here however is part of Agent Hosty's scribbled notes from his 11/23 interview with Ms Paine:



Mr Oswald was in her garage the night before the assassination
------------to pick up curtain rods!

 

Vert weak, Alan.... I fully support your efforts and I hope that you can present something solid....But so far ........

[Alan Ford]

Vert weak, Alan.... I fully support your efforts and I hope that you can present something solid....But so far ........

 

I'm happy to let more competent researchers than you be the judge of that, Mr Cakebread!

[Walt Cakebread]

I'm happy to let more competent researchers than you be the judge of that, Mr Cakebread!

You've at the plate, Alan..... It's up to you to hit it outta the park....  There are no other researchers that can pinch hit for you.

PS...Why the animosity?....

[Colin Crow]

Alan, if nothing else your efforts have again exposed the official story, according known document details, is full of holes. For those of us who wish to understand what happened it provides little solace, to the sheep, as we might suspect, all we will get is some bleating.

The only reason anyone would want to fingerprint the curtain rods in the Paine garage in March 64 would be a suspicion that somehow they were returned there from the crime scene after the assassination.  Certainly there was no thoughts that Oswald could perform that deed. Did they suspect Frazier of doing that? No mention of Frazier in the report and after all why would Frazier do so, it would not help him in the slightest.

Certainly Liebeler seemed totally unaware of any curtain rods in the Paine garage until his deposition of Michael Paine on March 17th.

[Alan Ford]

Alan, if nothing else your efforts have again exposed the official story, according known document details, is full of holes. For those of us who wish to understand what happened it provides little solace, to the sheep, as we might suspect, all we will get is some bleating.

The only reason anyone would want to fingerprint the curtain rods in the Paine garage in March 64 would be a suspicion that somehow they were returned there from the crime scene after the assassination.  Certainly there was no thoughts that Oswald could perform that deed. Did they suspect Frazier of doing that? No mention of Frazier in the report and after all why would Frazier do so, it would not help him in the slightest.

Certainly Liebeler seemed totally unaware of any curtain rods in the Paine garage until his deposition of Michael Paine on March 17th.

Mr Crow, the late date of all this curtain rod investigation------------4 months after the assassination-------------is a giveaway here!

We can be quite sure, given Mr Frazier's claims as to what Mr Oswald had told him the morning of 11/22, that curtain rods in Ms Paine's garage would have been amongst the very first things checked.

There is no way in the seven kingdoms this utterly basic piece of detective work would have been left unattended to for four months:
------------apart from the intrinsic absurdity of the idea, it would have incurred the risk of the rods' being thrown out or somesuch in the meantime,
------------which would have been most uncongenial to the Oswald-Acted-Alone investigators!

So it is beyond strange that one can find no record of a simple check for curtain rods being made in Ms Paine's garage before March 1964, merely Ms Paine's 23/11/63 assurance that she had not given Mr Oswald any curtain rods:



(= a nice piece of equivocation:
----------------gets around the problem of admitting in plain English that she had spare curtain rods in the first place,
----------------which confirmation that there had in fact been curtain rods in the garage would have tallied uncomfortably well with Mr Frazier's claim as to Mr Oswald's claim
----------------which would in turn have led to a very awkward no-brainer question popping into the head of any outsider reading the report:

'Yes, but are the goddam rods still there, Mrs Paine?')

 

[Bill Chapman]

Oswald denied bringing curtain rods to work that day, saying it was his lunch (in an over-sized bag). AFAIK.

For those claiming Oswald brought in said curtain rods, where do you suppose he left them while he went about his work day? It seems to me it would be a good idea to ask his boss to keep them in his office that day, safely out-of-the-hands of any would-be kleptomaniacs.

If I was an Oswald handler (@ CTers: hypothetically) I'd advise him to put a second bag with a few curtain rods within an appropriately-sized-gun bag. Then present the curtain bag to his boss for safe-keeping. The only problem remaining would be the disposal of the gun bag.

It seems he didn't have time to plan that precisely, given such short notice.