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[Walt Cakebread]

Impossible Jack, cannot be done. No fired bullet can EVER be called pristine. Typically the grooves in the rifle barrel would see to that. Have you seen the photos of CE-399?  Balistically, it?s a completely deformed bullet. Look at the photos top to bottom.  I have no information how much mass was lost. I do know CE-399 behaved in a manner consistent with fmj?d ammunition.

I do know CE-399 behaved in a manner consistent with fmj?d ammunition.

Not according to experts....Who say... "the standard Italian service round used an unstable round-nosed bullet with a propensity to tumble, whether hitting soft tissue/ballistic gel or harder material such as bone."

[Paul May]

I am an expert and I disagree with your experts.

[Steve Howsley]

Paul, the bottom line is to account for the total mass of CE-399 after the shooting. Connally denied access to the fragments in his wrist and rib upon his death so we can only speculate how much material was left in his body. It also smashed thru JFK's C7 vertebrae so there was probably material left there. However, despite these discrepancies, CE-399 was pristine (95% intact). So how much mass was actually lost? Was it more than 5% of the total mass or was CE-399 "pristine"? That is the question.

You've seen photos of CE-399?

How can that be called pristine? If it's not pristine why are you even open to that notion? It's no wonder that after 54 years this case based on original evidence and testimony hasn't advanced in any significant way.

[Tom Scully]

I am an expert and I disagree with your experts.

You've seen photos of CE-399?

How can that be called pristine? If it's not pristine why are you even open to that notion? It's no wonder that after 54 years this case based on original evidence and testimony hasn't advanced in any significant way.

Help me refresh my memory....we are debating whether a bullet with woefully sketchy verifiable evidentiary chain is or is not "pristine"?
My reasearch indicates the relevant question is along the lines of, "why do you believe or accept CE-399 is linked to the JFK Assassination"?
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399%2012-76%20Release/Item%2004.pdf


http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399/Item%2006.pdf

[Walt Cakebread]

Help me refresh my memory....we are debating whether a bullet with woefully sketchy verifiable evidentiary chain is or is not "pristine"?
My reasearch indicates the relevant question is along the lines of, "why do you believe or accept CE-399 is linked to the JFK Assassination"?
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399%2012-76%20Release/Item%2004.pdf


http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Bullet%20CE-399/Item%2006.pdf

Yes....Some folks who have an agenda to support the THEORY that CE 399 was the ONLY projectile that struck both JFK and JBC and remained in remarkable good condition after striking several bones , quibble over the use of the word "pristine" in describing the bullet.      Those folks either have a hidden agenda or they are ignorant about  they appearance of spent bullets.    CE 399 appears to be in better condition than some bullets that I have seen that have been fired into water, or bullet traps.   I have seen FMJ bullets that were fired into pine wood that are much more mangled than CE 399 which according to the THEORY struck JBC rib and Wrist bone.   The Supporters of that ridiculous,  asinine, THEORY try to deflect the critics by focusing on the definition of the word "pristine"...   Apparently they are not even smart enough to realize the transparency of their tactic ......