When did Brennan take up position?

[Colin Crow]

Mr. BELIN. That day had you eaten any chicken at all, or anything on the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Had you eaten any chicken or left a pep bottle on any previous days on the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir.

Givens certainly changed his story regarding the cigarette trip much later for a specific reason. However I doubt we can ever determine what happened if we believe everyone lied about their actions that day. What we do know is that the bottle and lunch sack were fingerprinted and considered evidence on day one. Yet were never sent to the FBI that night apparently because Oswald?s prints were not on them. The employees were not fingerprinted until months later and at that stage the evidence abandoned.

[Walt Cakebread]

Oops! You're quite right, Mr Cakebread. I have edited my post accordingly. Thank you! 

-Mr Givens ate the 'assassin's lunch' that morning (see Mr Shelley on this!)

I believe that you're right.....  Recall that the cops took a Dr Pepper bottle to the police lab....  If we could know the truth I'd bett that the Dr Pepper bottle had Charlie Givens prints on it....

[Alan Ford]

Mr. BELIN. That day had you eaten any chicken at all, or anything on the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Had you eaten any chicken or left a pep bottle on any previous days on the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir.

Givens certainly changed his story regarding the cigarette trip much later for a specific reason. However I doubt we can ever determine what happened if we believe everyone lied about their actions that day. What we do know is that the bottle and lunch sack were fingerprinted and considered evidence on day one. Yet were never sent to the FBI that night apparently because Oswald?s prints were not on them. The employees were not fingerprinted until months later and at that stage the evidence abandoned.

Mr Crow, I think Mr Shelley blurted out the truth in his testimony, and Mr Givens was simply coached to deny it.

The bottle and lunch sack became a nuisance, because they'd made such a ballyhoo about it initially. But not as big a nuisance as Mr Rowland!

[Alan Ford]

-Mr Givens ate the 'assassin's lunch' that morning (see Mr Shelley on this!)

I believe that you're right.....  Recall that the cops took a Dr Pepper bottle to the police lab....  If we could know the truth I'd bett that the Dr Pepper bottle had Charlie Givens prints on it....

 

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. BELIN. That day had you eaten any chicken at all, or anything on the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Had you eaten any chicken or left a pep bottle on any previous days on the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir.

Givens certainly changed his story regarding the cigarette trip much later for a specific reason. However I doubt we can ever determine what happened if we believe everyone lied about their actions that day. What we do know is that the bottle and lunch sack were fingerprinted and considered evidence on day one. Yet were never sent to the FBI that night apparently because Oswald?s prints were not on them. The employees were not fingerprinted until months later and at that stage the evidence abandoned.

we do know is that the bottle and lunch sack were fingerprinted and considered evidence on day one. Yet were never sent to the FBI that night apparently because Oswald?s prints were not on them.

Givens was a convicted felon...The DPD certainly had his prints on file..... 

[Colin Crow]

we do know is that the bottle and lunch sack were fingerprinted and considered evidence on day one. Yet were never sent to the FBI that night apparently because Oswald?s prints were not on them.

Givens was a convicted felon...The DPD certainly had his prints on file.....

So why not get Givens to lie from day one? His lunch in the SN......would have been a lot tidier. Why the need to get Williams involved in that mess by Saturday? They had both in for questioning Friday, yet Williams lunchtime trip starts to evolve the next day.

How many witnesses lied and when? We can speculate forever, just consider how many people are required to lie for your theory. And if they were all prepared to lie why does the story seem such a mess? I have to use William of Occam to make sense of the events.

Just one question. Did BRW go upstairs with Jarman and Norman or not?

[Alan Ford]

Just one question. Did BRW go upstairs with Jarman and Norman or not?

Mr Crow, I know you've asked this question of Mr Cakebread, but...

Mr Williams's own stated reason for going up to 6 rings true for me:

Mr. BALL. Why did you go to the sixth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time everybody was talking like they was going to watch from the sixth floor. I think Billy Lovelady said he wanted to watch from up there. And also my friend; this Spanish boy, by the name of Danny Arce, we had agreed at first to come back up to the sixth floor. So I thought everybody was going to be on the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody go back?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Nobody came back up.

So I believe he went up to 6 on his own and then, at some point, left. How long he stayed up there, and what he saw, is the million dollar question!

Not to take this off-topic, but his words above raise an interesting question: why did Messrs Lovelady & Arce not stick to the arrangement of meeting up on 6?