How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?

[Allan Fritzke]

The left side of JFK's brain was virtually undamaged as I understand it. The injury was a referred in some quarters a shattering type, partially blowing out the right side and top of the head, apparently. Clearly seen in Zap. This, arguably, explains why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash.

Look at the facts once more:

1) The plume visible in Z313 at an angle distributed 6 feet above the car clearly shows an incredible and unavoidable mist at the front of his head.  The view of her face is blocked by the spray.
2) The car movement forwards would also help scatter this on her face.  It is shown in Z313 as a massive cloud which would have had to have distributed itself!
3)  The reports of motorcycle policemen passing behind on Jacqueline's side also reported being struck with body tissue (6 to 8 feet away)
4)  Jacqueline's distance a mere 12 to 18 inch distance without even a flinch in the film sequence just following Z313  pretty much dismisses a right side blowout coming from the TBSD (up and behind) and staying on his side of the car!  Her face was facing his direction too!
5)  She has no reaction until after Z329/Z330 upon which time she notices something very much has happened and that unusually matches the red blur masking the President's entire head!  As I said earlier,  JFK's face goes from white to that of dark red. (Just after you see the massive windshield glass shatter reflected in the light.    Clint Hill is in ducking motion and out of way by Z322 to avoid being hit.   
6) The mere fact that JFK goes back in his seat and raises his right arm is too coincidental with Clint Hill ducking and going forward at the very same instant.   If there was hard braking of vehicle, you could say Clint Hill lurched forward as a result.  However that motion is exact opposite to a supposed limp Kennedy's reaction.  Weakened by an earlier visible neck shot when he stops wavings and places his hands near his neck, he reacts in the exact opposite Clint Hill!

Bullets from the front explain rather nicely why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash, please and thank you!   You would be foolish to think that an explosive round such as that exhibited in Z313/Z314 complete with a lingering mist in those frames could miss Jacqueline's face.  There was lack of expression change just after Z313 as well but before Z329 indicating nothing has changed other than her trying to figure out where he was injured in the neck shot.    Could we not draw a conclusion that inbound bullets never occurred there?  Remember that is evidence only required to frame LHO and make it look like the shots came from behind!

You can't help but see the expression change in Z335 when she decides to leave the car - wondering if she is going to survive!  Her clean face with eyes getting very large and in shock - no indication of splatter and there are some very clear Zapruder frames in this area.  Look closely at Z335 and you can see Jacqueline's left shoulder in the frame, see the position of Kennedy's ear and absolutely nothing in front of it.  It sure looks like an edited picture to me!  His head is cut off!   Kind of a "wet" gold nugget (sunlight reflection of course) below Jacqueline's clearly visible shoulder.  If that frame wasn't edited, Kennedy had no head at all from the ear forward to try to save at hospital or to even take a picture at a morgue.   It was edited out of the picture obviously as you can't reconstruct that big of a mess and end up with a head later on for a funeral!   That was a rather serious edit on that particular frame!

You couple that with the man coming from the front of the car (some would like to call him Macolm Summers) having his head totally scratched out of the frame on Lightbox Z347 (intentionally obliterated???) leads a conspiracist to question that maybe this man who rolls into the grass has more to do with a windshield  shot than meets the eye and is a key character in the assassination scene!    At frames z363 the family with the small child remains virtually motionless and emotionless - that is unexplained!   Why is there only one massive reaction (movement done by  one guy rolling across from the front of the car -  my assumption) while everyone else close remains motionless in the pictures?  You would have thought the next couple with the child would have some reaction after hearing gun shots and seeing a man rolling in the grass.  Wouldn't  the child be covering his face in horror?  Instead no responses.  They missed looking over and seeing the guy beside them running and rolling?

Again,  Kennedy's hand and head movement is extremely meaningful if he is reacting to something he saw at the front of the limousine.   Who would think that a shot taking out his entire front of head at Z313 would cause his head to move back in the seat (about a foot) against the bullet flow and at the same time causing him to raise his right arm up.  That looks like a pure defensive move to me!   Tie it together and you have a very close frontal shot, no splatter on any occupant's in the car and a dead President!  No one else hurt! 

Of course, no eye witnesses observed or ever recorded that very obvious head movement and arm lifting visible in the Zapruder Frames!  Maybe it was all masked by the cloud of misty vapor?   I would guess it was a well executed script to thwart out the possibility of having to deal with more than just one lone gunman who was killed before he could talk and proclaim his innocence.  Yes, it had to be a deranged nut with no motive at all!

[Bill Chapman]

Look at the facts once more:

1) The plume visible in Z313 at an angle distributed 6 feet above the car clearly shows an incredible and unavoidable mist at the front of his head.  The view of her face is blocked by the spray.
2) The car movement forwards would also help scatter this on her face.  It is shown in Z313 as a massive cloud which would have had to have distributed itself!
3)  The reports of motorcycle policemen passing behind on Jacqueline's side also reported being struck with body tissue (6 to 8 feet away)
4)  Jacqueline's distance a mere 12 to 18 inch distance without even a flinch in the film sequence just following Z313  pretty much dismisses a right side blowout coming from the TBSD (up and behind) and staying on his side of the car!  Her face was facing his direction too!
5)  She has no reaction until after Z329/Z330 upon which time she notices something very much has happened and that unusually matches the red blur masking the President's entire head!  As I said earlier,  JFK's face goes from white to that of dark red. (Just after you see the massive windshield glass shatter reflected in the light.    Clint Hill is in ducking motion and out of way by Z322 to avoid being hit.   
6) The mere fact that JFK goes back in his seat and raises his right arm is too coincidental with Clint Hill ducking and going forward at the very same instant.   If there was hard braking of vehicle, you could say Clint Hill lurched forward as a result.  However that motion is exact opposite to a supposed limp Kennedy's reaction.  Weakened by an earlier visible neck shot when he stops wavings and places his hands near his neck, he reacts in the exact opposite Clint Hill!

Bullets from the front explain rather nicely why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash, please and thank you!   You would be foolish to think that an explosive round such as that exhibited in Z313/Z314 complete with a lingering mist in those frames could miss Jacqueline's face.  There was lack of expression change just after Z313 as well but before Z329 indicating nothing has changed other than her trying to figure out where he was injured in the neck shot.    Could we not draw a conclusion that inbound bullets never occurred there?  Remember that is evidence only required to frame LHO and make it look like the shots came from behind!

You can't help but see the expression change in Z335 when she decides to leave the car - wondering if she is going to survive!  Her clean face with eyes getting very large and in shock - no indication of splatter and there are some very clear Zapruder frames in this area.  Look closely at Z335 and you can see Jacqueline's left shoulder in the frame, see the position of Kennedy's ear and absolutely nothing in front of it.  It sure looks like an edited picture to me!  His head is cut off!   Kind of a "wet" gold nugget (sunlight reflection of course) below Jacqueline's clearly visible shoulder.  If that frame wasn't edited, Kennedy had no head at all from the ear forward to try to save at hospital or to even take a picture at a morgue.   It was edited out of the picture obviously as you can't reconstruct that big of a mess and end up with a head later on for a funeral!   That was a rather serious edit on that particular frame!

You couple that with the man coming from the front of the car (some would like to call him Macolm Summers) having his head totally scratched out of the frame on Lightbox Z347 (intentionally obliterated???) leads a conspiracist to question that maybe this man who rolls into the grass has more to do with a windshield  shot than meets the eye and is a key character in the assassination scene!    At frames z363 the family with the small child remains virtually motionless and emotionless - that is unexplained!   Why is there only one massive reaction (movement done by  one guy rolling across from the front of the car -  my assumption) while everyone else close remains motionless in the pictures?  You would have thought the next couple with the child would have some reaction after hearing gun shots and seeing a man rolling in the grass.  Wouldn't  the child be covering his face in horror?  Instead no responses.  They missed looking over and seeing the guy beside them running and rolling?

Again,  Kennedy's hand and head movement is extremely meaningful if he is reacting to something he saw at the front of the limousine.   Who would think that a shot taking out his entire front of head at Z313 would cause his head to move back in the seat (about a foot) against the bullet flow and at the same time causing him to raise his right arm up.  That looks like a pure defensive move to me!   Tie it together and you have a very close frontal shot, no splatter on any occupant's in the car and a dead President!  No one else hurt! 

Of course, no eye witnesses observed or ever recorded that very obvious head movement and arm lifting visible in the Zapruder Frames!  Maybe it was all masked by the cloud of misty vapor?   I would guess it was a well executed script to thwart out the possibility of having to deal with more than just one lone gunman who was killed before he could talk and proclaim his innocence.  Yes, it had to be a deranged nut with no motive at all!

Kennedy's hand and head movement is extremely meaningful if he is reacting to something he saw at the front of the limousine

LOL

Same goes for the rest of your post

Seek help

[John Iacoletti]

LOL

Same goes for the rest of your post

Seek help

Cool rebuttal, bro.

[Allan Fritzke]

Bill's Response to my offered explanation:

Kennedy's hand and head movement is extremely meaningful if he is reacting to something he saw at the front of the limousine

LOL

Same goes for the rest of your post

Seek help
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I was counting on you to enlighten me - "Seek help from you"!!

So Bill ..... you can start by giving your opinion as to why no one notes that rather large head and arm movement in any reports!    Why there is no splatter on Jacqueline's face?  I guess you answered that one by saying it was on the RH side of the face so the spray was directed only to his side and up  and that is  "shattering type" injury was in a direction in every other direction than on Jacqueline's face.   If anything the wind blew it in the direction of the grassy knoll I guess!   The mist floated in that  direction only - even though others all over the car reported something different!  No testimony from Jacqueline herself.    Witnesses more reliable than the picture evidence presented as it doesn't match their scripts would be your suggestion I could only assume!  The visual image is very much at odds with testimonial evidence from those closes to the scene!

I guess you just classify the "Kennedy move" as an involuntary movement do to a bullet strike from behind - must be nerves?  It was a "knee jerk reaction" against the force propelling him forwards from the bullet's impact!  Who wouldn't push back against when you are missing your head as shown in frame Z335!  (Even though a fully present face was seen again after the mist subsided.  The face was present until Z329!)
 
Did you even look at the frames Z313/314 ,Z322, Z329/330, Z335 and Z347 or are you just talking through your hat?  Your attempt at a reply is to knock down the writer rather than refute the evidence.    Witnesses more reliable than film I would have to assume is your statement of facts?    You are obviously making a rhetorical statement because you don't have any worthwhile rebuttal or answer and are only playing the devil's advocate!

Post something worthwhile:   - a rebuttal would have been nice rather than posting for the sake of posting!    Of the 454 posts you have made this year,  How many posts have you offered as solutions?    "Any statement that is intended to not have any feedback, output, or response is known as a rhetorical statement and useless.     A good starting point for a LNer!    This is exactly what you did here!   No solution is offered except to suggest that it is a wildly outlandish cockamanie statement!    Put some facts behind your dismissal of the film's evidence and its tampering please!   Paint us a coherent picture of this part of the film's scene and interpret it - I beg you!  Give us the whole story!  "You might even want to include the driver's 1/18 of a second neck turn and the white marker in the grass!  How was that all possible if not tampered with?

Here are the visual cues from the images that I would like to see you include in your story line!    It would be good to include,   lack of spray on Jacqueline's face 12 inches away from an explosive bullet,  large head and arm movement of JFK,  Clint Hill quickly moving forward in a ducking motion at same instant,  glass shatter seen in light and the front of head totally missing in Z335.  Include a rendition of a wipe out of a face in lightbox  Z347.          Give it a whirl, as I need a coherent rebuttal statement so I can adjust my statement of logic of what took place in those 3 or 4 seconds of Zapruder's film.     Give more than a rhetorical statement!   We can reach synergy - unfortunately that doesn't seem to be your goal to find a mutually agreeable solution based on presented facts in photo images!   

[Mike Orr]

Dino Brugioni worked on the original Zapruder film Saturday night Nov. 23 ( Reply 87 on this subject page 9 ) Brugioni says the head shot spray of blood goes 3-4 feet in the air and that the spray which starts on Z313 goes well into the next several frames. This work was done at the CIA's National Photographic Interpretation Center ( NPIC ) . Brugioni said the Z-film was very clear . They were shocked at what they saw. Brugioni's team used " 2 " briefing boards which contained between 12 and 15 prints . Not known by Brugioni was the fact that later that evening Nov. 24th , another team came in to do another (4) briefing boards which are the boards that are seen at the National Archives . This tells us that Brugioni's 2 briefing boards must have shown some prints that the CIA did not want anyone to see. The second team actually finished their work on their 4 briefing boards early Monday morning the 25th day of November and the day that JFK was laid to rest.

[Allan Fritzke]

Certainly you can see a 20 degree line from the vertical drawn at an exact angle upwards and to the front at Z313.  From that slide alone, you would have to say that the "explosion" was right beside Jacqueline's face and unavoidable to have been hit by some spray if not a lot as she is only about 6 inches to the front and facing him perfectly!  The perfect extension of that 20 degree line goes up to nearly 6 feet in my estimation of the "light glimmer"!   You can draw a ruler on it and extend that line down to his dark suit to determine its origin.     It looks like a slight abutment/anomaly where the cheek juts out but lacking any detail other than "smear".   

You can also see a clearly visible vertical line in the "ligthbox" frames "still" that has a distinct difference between the back and the front of his face.  The image on the LHS is much darker and this line is very visible in the lightbox re-creation of Z313.   It looks like a block image at the front.  Of course we are told that is light effects lol!    But that vertical line is very apparent on the image nonetheless which should not have influenced the picture on the shade side so perfectly vertical to the film frame.  The ear is missing and debatable which side of the line it is on when comparing it to Z312!   Evidence manipulation, film does not lie and it is difficult to modify and get away with it - even if you are experts.  The back of head doesn't move between those 2 frames, only frontal changes evident.

It is at Z330 that you see Kennedy's head to begin falling forward and by the time of a clear picture with Jacqueline's reaction at Z335, it is forwarded as far is it goes and then rolls over to her side by Z341.   Those are the assassination scene pictures that are very interesting and to see her reaction at Z335 with the mouth and eyes wide open and a clean face!  By Z341 she is climbing out of the car and doesn't plan on sticking around!   That is more than a second after Z313!

[Royell Storing]

The left side of JFK's brain was virtually undamaged as I understand it. The injury was referred to, in some quarters, as a shattering-type wound, partially blowing out the right side and top of the head, apparently. Clearly seen in Zap. This, arguably, explains why Jackie avoided a bloody face-wash.

   And what would be the explanation for Motorcycle Officer Hargis riding closely on the LEFT Rear of the JFK Limo getting hit so hard with blood and brain matter that he thought he had been hit with a bullet?