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How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Allan Fritzke on April 16, 2018, 04:34:08 PM ---It does not disprove its' authenticity, it disproves the carefully scripted witnesses statements involved in the plot/scheme to assassinate the President. You have just fallen into my hands. Really, the FBI, CIA and Secret Service find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place. You can't have the cake and eat it too! They need to discredit the rest of the film but keep Z313/314 as they really need that for de facto evidence to complete the framing of a lone dead gunman LHO who did it all!
So in your opinion, you can't use the Z313/Z314 frames as they are not authentic. How do you convict LHO? These frames are produced as the infallible evidence used to convict LHO of a crime he didn't commit. I would not go so far to say that he wasn't somehow involved, but I don't think he realized he was going to be killed for his sins in the plot! We know that he must have had serious ties to his handlers as he had trips to Russia and Cuba that must have been funded by someone! Those 2 slides collaborate the evidence of finding a sniper rifle in the sniper's nest in TSBD building! A few frames were released at the time showing this to the WC but the bulk of the film wasn't released for 10 years into the public domain. The public cried for some pictures so some had to come out! Why do you suppose this was done? By saying what you have stated in your statement, you are admitting someone had wrongfully used this film as the concrete evidence to convict LHO. What was the purpose of not letting the American Public see this film at the time? The cameraman who took the pictures of the TBSD window, bus, theater and others entered as evidence is just too coincidental to have been real. He was never even interviewed but disappeared from the scene!
You have just admitted to a real conspiracy - whatever statement you make debating its authenticity points the fingers to those who held this film for many years and chose not to let people see it in its entirety! Who had a "copy" of it? How many were made and how was it kept from being "leaked" out?
I will admit its authenticity must be questioned because of the modifications made to it. That is why you have to ask who would want to modify and why was that necessary? Z313, Z314 and look at Z335 where you see part of the President's head "erased" and blended in by a blouse. You can't say the film wasn't modified. Anyone that says that is lying! As you said, overwhelming evidence that Jacqueline face and eyes were not covered in brain matter, blood spatter from the Z313/Z314 supposed "plume shots with explosive bullets is not there. The reason it wasn't there is because it didn't happen that way! If you look at the film without looking at individual slides, you will miss the modifications made. Playing the film back, you don't see any problems with the storyline as it happens so fast! Nelly Connally even goes so far to say that Jacqueline Kennedy had the President's brain in her hands if you watch her interview! This film was modified. If you admit that, you have to question why was it necessary if you are seeking the truth and why a coverup was necessary?
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You can Not cherry pick. If the well has been poisoned, IT is poisoned. Once you agree that the Current Zapruder Film lacks credibility, you have cast doubt on the Entire film.
Allan Fritzke:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 16, 2018, 09:19:08 PM ---You can Not cherry pick. If the well has been poisoned, IT is poisoned. Once you agree that the Current Zapruder Film lacks credibility, you have cast doubt on the Entire film.
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Cherry pick? Poisoned Well? Not really! The film's origin was authentic. Abraham Zapruder filmed it and his position is well known and can be verified. Someone modified it to support the story line and framing of the lone gunman LHO. That is true and I agree 100%.
It is authentic and it was not a Hollywood Production done years later. Some frames match the originals posted in the Life article. Only ones that never had modification applied to them were used however! The important ones like Z313 and on and the real kill shots were not part of the Life Magazine article. I am sorry. Therefore it can't be said that the film is not credible and crucial piece of evidence to solve the mystery.
No, the film is real and the lack of brain matter and blood spraying in Jacqueline's face is also real. It never happened. Frame Z313 shows a distinct line at the front of JFK's face going up at an angle and would be indicative of a shot coming from behind (although it looks like a ruler line). If that didn't spray her with brain and blood matter, there was no bullet - plain and simple and it was drawn in! In fact it doesn't look authentic!
Furthermore, dead men with a massive head shot like that shown on Z313, don't move back in their seat and raise their arm just prior to the real shots coming in. Having no one report that move from any witness is also telling. There are many theories that the shots came from the front and so the human blood and brain matter would exit out of the rear of the skull. In this case, the front remains relatively clean. This makes sense as to why Jacqueline is able to continue to observe her husband without being blinded. Kennedy's move after being hit in the neck behind the sign many frames earlier means that he was maybe a little slow in reaction but still very conscious at Z322! No, this film is very credible.
Modifying or removing frames just means corrections were made to match the "frame job of LHO" and to keep the volley of bullets hitting the car coming only from the 6th floor TSBD building. Withholding the release of the film, it further points the finger at someone not wanting it to be in the public domain and for good reason. Modification points a finger at the Department of Justice and other internal organizations that are not accountable to Congress or Government. After all why was the killing of a President investigated by a handpicked Warren Commission and not a Grand Jury?
Yes, there is a well that was poisoned but it is not the Zapruder Film! It is the SYSTEM. That well is deep and involves a number of organizations that operate above the law, meddles and controls world affairs and the politics of other countries, start wars and keeps the governments in perpetual debt to it. Like JFK, anyone that threatens it, is removed! The Kennedy's and the likes of Trumps are not supposed to be in politics period as they interfere with the NWO.
Jack Trojan:
--- Quote from: Bill Chapman on April 16, 2018, 08:41:23 PM ---
Why wasn't the sunlight reflecting off of ANYTHING else on JFK?
> The brain matter was wet
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As is your argument. Have a look at the spot of sunlight on Connally's forehead during that sequence in the Z film and note how it disappeared when he moved. Not the case with JFK because you think wet=sunlit. Right.
Jack Trojan:
--- Quote from: Allan Fritzke on April 16, 2018, 04:34:08 PM ---It does not disprove its' authenticity, it disproves the carefully scripted witnesses statements involved in the plot/scheme to assassinate the President. You have just fallen into my hands. Really, the FBI, CIA and Secret Service find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place. You can't have the cake and eat it too! They need to discredit the rest of the film but keep Z313/314 as they really need that for de facto evidence to complete the framing of a lone dead gunman LHO who did it all!
So in your opinion, you can't use the Z313/Z314 frames as they are not authentic. How do you convict LHO? These frames are produced as the infallible evidence used to convict LHO of a crime he didn't commit. I would not go so far to say that he wasn't somehow involved, but I don't think he realized he was going to be killed for his sins in the plot! We know that he must have had serious ties to his handlers as he had trips to Russia and Cuba that must have been funded by someone! Those 2 slides collaborate the evidence of finding a sniper rifle in the sniper's nest in TSBD building! A few frames were released at the time showing this to the WC but the bulk of the film wasn't released for 10 years into the public domain. The public cried for some pictures so some had to come out! Why do you suppose this was done? By saying what you have stated in your statement, you are admitting someone had wrongfully used this film as the concrete evidence to convict LHO. What was the purpose of not letting the American Public see this film at the time? The cameraman who took the pictures of the TBSD window, bus, theater and others entered as evidence is just too coincidental to have been real. He was never even interviewed but disappeared from the scene!
You have just admitted to a real conspiracy - whatever statement you make debating its authenticity points the fingers to those who held this film for many years and chose not to let people see it in its entirety! Who had a "copy" of it? How many were made and how was it kept from being "leaked" out?
I will admit its authenticity must be questioned because of the modifications made to it. That is why you have to ask who would want to modify and why was that necessary? Z313, Z314 and look at Z335 where you see part of the President's head "erased" and blended in by a blouse. You can't say the film wasn't modified. Anyone that says that is lying! As you said, overwhelming evidence that Jacqueline face and eyes were not covered in brain matter, blood spatter from the Z313/Z314 supposed "plume shots with explosive bullets is not there. The reason it wasn't there is because it didn't happen that way! If you look at the film without looking at individual slides, you will miss the modifications made. Playing the film back, you don't see any problems with the storyline as it happens so fast! Nelly Connally even goes so far to say that Jacqueline Kennedy had the President's brain in her hands if you watch her interview! This film was modified. If you admit that, you have to question why was it necessary if you are seeking the truth and why a coverup was necessary?
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You only have to ask yourself 1 question. Where is the original Z film? Life and Z got copies. There are at least 2 obvious splices in the copies, which can only mean 1 thing: The FBI conspired to edit the film to "scrub" out any contradictions to the LN narrative. Otherwise, why else would the FBI hide the original film? And where the hell is it?
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Jack Trojan on April 18, 2018, 10:21:38 PM ---You only have to ask yourself 1 question. Where is the original Z film? Life and Z got copies. There are at least 2 obvious splices in the copies, which can only mean 1 thing: The FBI conspired to edit the film to "scrub" out any contradictions to the LN narrative. Otherwise, why else would the FBI hide the original film? And where the hell is it?
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There are Many issues with the Current Zapruder Film. The most obvious being the Start/Stop/Start sequence at the beginning of the film, and the Sudden appearance of the JFK Limo after having completed the turn onto Elm & now in transit down Elm St. By No coincidence, this Missing JFK Limo footage would also have included the Records Building in the background.
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