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How long does it take to alter hundreds of frames of film?
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Steve Thompson on March 27, 2018, 07:53:54 PM ---If Muchmore showed a different headshot than Zapruder - conspiracy theorists and Robert Groden and all the rest would have been shouting it from the house tops for 50+ years.
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I'm sure they would. That, however, doesn't demonstrate that they show the EXACT same headshot. Honestly, if Muchmore was the only thing you had to go on, you wouldn't even know that the guy was shot.
Steve Thompson:
--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on March 27, 2018, 08:21:22 PM ---I'm sure they would. That, however, doesn't demonstrate that they show the EXACT same headshot. Honestly, if Muchmore was the only thing you had to go on, you wouldn't even know that the guy was shot.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you, as I do believe that Muchmore's film and Zapruder's film show the EXACT same headshot, and indeed the EXACT same scene - obviously taking in to account the different perspectives of the photographers.
I can see NO inconsistencies.
I can see 100% correlation between things like:
* JFK's head being positioned forward and to the left
* Jackie's right elbow immediately behind JFK's left shoulder
* Moorman's position in the background
* Kellerman's head pointed straight ahead
As far as your "if Muchmore was the only thing you had to go on, you wouldn't even know that the guy was shot" comment... seriously ? There's clearly a halo of blood and brain matter ejecting from JFK's head just as is seen in Zapruder.
I think a reasonable person can conclude that both photo's are depicting the EXACT same event and the EXACT same instant.
I believe the photo comparison below is strong evidence of this.
If you believe this is open to doubt, once again - prove why your doubts are founded in fact - and not just the "we can never really know anything with 100% certainty" thing...
Steve M. Galbraith:
But the Muchmore film doesn't show the first two shots - certainly not the critical second or the SBT. And it shows a limited part of the assassination scene.
Just because it appears to support the head shot shown in the Z-film doesn't mean it corroborates what is shown there. As in: Where did the head shot in the Muchmore film come from? But it does - importantly - show that the blood/brain tissue didn't exit the back of the head. I don't see that in the film.
It seems to me that saying a film doesn't contradict the Zapruder film - and there's nothing I can see in Muchmore that does - is not the same as saying it corroborates it.
We still come back to the issue that if the Z film was altered then the alterationists were greatly risking being exposed by the potential revelations in other films. Did they not worry about that possibility? Is there any evidence they did?
Steve Thompson:
--- Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on March 27, 2018, 10:03:36 PM ---
It seems to me that saying a film doesn't contradict the Zapruder film - and there's nothing I can see in Muchmore that does - is not the same as saying it corroborates it.
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With all due respect, Steve, I'm not just "saying that a film doesn't contradict the Zapruder film", am I ?
My previous post details four points of absolutely correlation between Z and Muchmore, doesn't it ?
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: Steve Thompson on March 27, 2018, 10:12:57 PM ---With all due respect, Steve, I'm not just "saying that a film doesn't contradict the Zapruder film", am I ?
My previous post details four points of absolutely correlation between Z and Muchmore, doesn't it ?
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Sorry for not being clear: I am saying that not you.
As I added to the above, it certainly appears to show - to me - that the blood/brain/tissue from the shot exited the side/top of the head and not from the rear. Your point about the head shot itself - and the aftermath - is spot on. But I would not say it shows exactly the same thing as the Z film. As I said, it doesn't contradict what we see in that film but I - me not you - wouldn't say it corroborates it.
But for those who claim the Z film was altered to hide the material exiting from JFK's head have to answer the question: What about the Muchmore film?
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