The Fundamental Problem

[Dillon Rankine]

I'm not convinced of it's plausibility. A bullet that shatters into several pieces of which one piece makes a small dent in the chrome fitting of the windshield and another an insignificant spiderweb crack on the windshield doesn't jive with another piece of lead flying off dozens of feet and striking concrete with enough force to cause concrete chips to make a small scratch on Teague's face. IMO, the only plausible scenario would be like the one Haag proposed. The first shot missed, hit the street pavement and shattered and a piece of lead from that shattered bullet struck the concrete close to Tague causing Tague's scratch to face. The part where that proposal I believe is difficult is that there was no apparent hole in the pavement on Elm St. found.

The other proposal that had some mileage was Holland's proposal that the first shot hit the street lamp steel tube and ricochet from there..etc..etc.. That proposal was found to be unlikely by experiments done by Haag, I believe. That would leave a fourth shot fired from somewhere but there's no evidence of a second shooter, IMHO.

I?d say the fragments were of varying sizes ergo more KE. I think Haag?s just said the bullet disintegrated, which I agree with, and the headshot fragment hit Tague

[Oscar Navarro]

Not for me it isn't. Why would you expect a fragment to be found outside of the limo?  Tague was likely hit directly by a fragment from the head shot.

I would not expect all  fragments to remain inside the limo as all of the fragments found did not make up the weight for one 6.5mm WCC 160/61 grain bullet. What puzzles me is what I've already stated; the fragments found inside the limo did not have enough force to brake the windshield or penetrate the chrome molding on the windshield but had enough momentum to at least create a smudge on the concrete near where Tague was standing and that one was able to make a small scratch to Tague's cheek. I'll add that it seems to me that the fragment that created the scratch to the cheek had to have been very small, too small for it to have travelled the distance between the limo and Tague. By this I'm not eliminating the possibility of it happening it's just that it's difficult to accept it as happening. I think there's a better explanation that has not surfaced because the evidence has not been found.

[Oscar Navarro]

Why would a second shooter be needed

That's the Cter version which I don't accept considering the lack of evidence of a second shooter.

[Oscar Navarro]

I?d say the fragments were of varying sizes ergo more KE. I think Haag?s just said the bullet disintegrated, which I agree with, and the headshot fragment hit Tague

larry Sturdivant said that in his book JFK Myths. I believe Haag said that did not necessarily have to have disintegrated and that the hole left on the pavement would have been quickly covered up by the passing of vehicles. At least that's how I remeber it. If this were to be the case it would be a better explanation for the Tague wound than for a fragment of the third shot theory, IMHO. It  also better explains the lead smudge on the concrete. This part; smudge vs chipped concrete is one that deserves clarity. Was it a smudge or chipped concrete?

[Royell Storing]

Actually, it's more like the full length of a football field.

    Thanks for the correction. Since I never have personally measured off the distance I went the conservative route. That Great Distance when No Other Fragment allegedly even left the confines of the Limo is hard to fathom. If you give this some serious thought, the distance this alleged fragment traveled is Greater than the Total Length of Houston St that the JFK Limo traveled down after turning right off of Main. And to top All of that off, this alleged Fragment then just Disappeared. ALL of this is Total Bunk.

[Royell Storing]

I would not expect all  fragments to remain inside the limo as all of the fragments found did not make up the weight for one 6.5mm WCC 160/61 grain bullet. What puzzles me is what I've already stated; the fragments found inside the limo did not have enough force to brake the windshield or penetrate the chrome molding on the windshield but had enough momentum to at least create a smudge on the concrete near where Tague was standing and that one was able to make a small scratch to Tague's cheek. I'll add that it seems to me that the fragment that created the scratch to the cheek had to have been very small, too small for it to have travelled the distance between the limo and Tague. By this I'm not eliminating the possibility of it happening it's just that it's difficult to accept it as happening. I think there's a better explanation that has not surfaced because the evidence has not been found.

    You make a Very good point regarding the Lack of "force" of fragments flying around after the Kill Shot vs the distance of the Tague Fragment. As all of us know from having hit/jumped curbs with bikes/autos that they are one tough bird. A curb will Not chip unless struck with Extreme Force by something of Substance. Just my opinion, but the Substance which struck and chipped that curb was recovered. A 4th Shot by a 2nd shooter would render a bullet fragment Not matching the Carcano.

[Oscar Navarro]

    You make a Very good point regarding the Lack of "force" of fragments flying around after the Kill Shot vs the distance of the Tague Fragment. As all of us know from having hit/jumped curbs with bikes/autos that they are one tough bird. A curb will Not chip unless struck with Extreme Force by something of Substance. Just my opinion, but the Substance which struck and chipped that curb was recovered. A 4th Shot by a 2nd shooter would render a bullet fragment Not matching the Carcano.

Well, there's no evidence that anything other than the fragments CE-567 & 569 plus the other smaller fragments inside the limo and on the curb were recovered. Also, I'm not sure the curb was actually chipped. On page 116 of the WCR it says "mark".