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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #140 on: January 29, 2019, 11:30:05 AM »

What a dishonest cretin you are Navarro.....

You're upset because I corrected your claim in quotes that Silvia Odio said "Lee Oswald" when in fact she said "Leon Oswald".

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« Reply #141 on: January 29, 2019, 12:00:08 PM »
    What you are basically saying is the WC Guessed as to the time span of shots being fired. Of course this Guess Work was tied to an unrestricted sight line from their alleged LN Sniper's Nest. Wham-Bam Got You Man. You forgot to mention this entire fairy tale was Altered at least one time upon Tague popping up with his corroborated facial wound.


The WC associate members came up with the timeline by working backwards from the obvious head shot at z313 to the Z frame that shows JFK reacting to being shot through the neck, which corresponded to z225 to the Z frame that shows the sniper had a clear LOF beginning at Z frame z210. That's 88 to 103 frames divided by 18.3fps = 4.8 to 5.3 seconds. The reason the SN was used was due to the overwhelming evidence that pointed to the SN as to were the shots came from. The addition of 2.3 seconds was added due to test performed which showed that was how long it took to operate the bolt. Tague threw a monkey wrench into the original FBI conclusion that three shots had hit their mark with the first hitting JFK, the second JBC, and the third and last hitting JFK. IIRC, the SBT was already formulated before the Tague wounding became known to WC associate counsel investigators so it would not have affected the timeline of the shots because it  was already known they couldn't account for where the bullet that first hit JFK went. So it still would have gone first shot hit both JFK and JBC, second shot missed, third shot hit JFK thus the 4.8 to 5.6 second timeline became moot from the outset of the WR becoming public. Years of experiments trying to prove that three shots could have been fired to duplicate the alleged Oswald marksman feat were a waste of time and served only to mislead the public to the real circumstances that affected the correct timeline of the three shot sequence from the SN.

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #142 on: January 29, 2019, 03:30:57 PM »

The WC associate members came up with the timeline by working backwards from the obvious head shot at z313 to the Z frame that shows JFK reacting to being shot through the neck, which corresponded to z225 to the Z frame that shows the sniper had a clear LOF beginning at Z frame z210. That's 88 to 103 frames divided by 18.3fps = 4.8 to 5.3 seconds. The reason the SN was used was due to the overwhelming evidence that pointed to the SN as to were the shots came from. The addition of 2.3 seconds was added due to test performed which showed that was how long it took to operate the bolt. Tague threw a monkey wrench into the original FBI conclusion that three shots had hit their mark with the first hitting JFK, the second JBC, and the third and last hitting JFK. IIRC, the SBT was already formulated before the Tague wounding became known to WC associate counsel investigators so it would not have affected the timeline of the shots because it  was already known they couldn't account for where the bullet that first hit JFK went. So it still would have gone first shot hit both JFK and JBC, second shot missed, third shot hit JFK thus the 4.8 to 5.6 second timeline became moot from the outset of the WR becoming public. Years of experiments trying to prove that three shots could have been fired to duplicate the alleged Oswald marksman feat were a waste of time and served only to mislead the public to the real circumstances that affected the correct timeline of the three shot sequence from the SN.

     Well, let's STOP the bus at the get-go with the selection of, " a frame that shows JFK reacting to being shot through the neck....".  This is once again Guess Work.  I could get into that Visual Black Hole where the Limo is out of sight behind the Stemmons Sign, but you already DQ'd yourself right out of the box. GUESS WORK don't cut it.  This is why this case remains Unsolved after 55+ years. People cavalierly accepting as fact that which has been spoon fed to them = Uncertainty amidst Confusion.   
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #143 on: January 29, 2019, 08:24:03 PM »
    What you are basically saying is the WC Guessed as to the time span of shots being fired. Of course this Guess Work was tied to an unrestricted sight line from their alleged LN Sniper's Nest. Wham-Bam Got You Man. You forgot to mention this entire fairy tale was Altered at least one time upon Tague popping up with his corroborated facial wound.

The WC never guessed. They didn't come to a conclusion as to the time span of the shots. They presented some possible scenarios for the shots. Two of those scenarios dealt with one of the three shots missing. If it was the second shot that missed, then the time span for the three shots was 5.6 seconds. If it was the first shot that missed, then the time span was 7 seconds or longer.

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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #144 on: January 30, 2019, 05:13:05 PM »
The WC never guessed. They didn't come to a conclusion as to the time span of the shots. They presented some possible scenarios for the shots. Two of those scenarios dealt with one of the three shots missing. If it was the second shot that missed, then the time span for the three shots was 5.6 seconds. If it was the first shot that missed, then the time span was 7 seconds or longer.

           Thanks for confirming what I said by proffering that the WC presented "POSSIBLE Scenarios". Obviously, this IS "Guess Work". A Fact = Singular.

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« Reply #145 on: January 30, 2019, 09:21:14 PM »
           Thanks for confirming what I said by proffering that the WC presented "POSSIBLE Scenarios". Obviously, this IS "Guess Work". A Fact = Singular.

Your claim was that the WC Guessed as to the time span of shots being fired. Presenting possible scenarios is not guessing. It's using the information they had available and applying it to come up with those scenarios.


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Re: The Fundamental Problem
« Reply #146 on: January 30, 2019, 09:51:43 PM »
Your claim was that the WC Guessed as to the time span of shots being fired. Presenting possible scenarios is not guessing. It's using the information they had available and applying it to come up with those scenarios.

            "Possible Scenarios" = Multiple Guesses.