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Offline Bill Chapman

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Wow.  The guy who repeatedly questions handwriting analysis as unscientific in the case of "Hidell" cites Booth's handwritten diary as evidence of his guilt!  LOL.  You can't make that up.  And we learn it suddenly doesn't matter whether you can link Booth and by implication Oswald to the murder weapons?  I'm speechless at the profound ignorance of that statement.  And who are these "entire theatre" full of witnesses who saw Booth with a Derringer?  You made that up.  They must have had great eyesight to ID the weapon in his hand in a darkened theatre while their attention was focused on the play and match it to the one found later.  But the witnesses who saw Oswald with a gun at the Tippit scene are discounted.  Did any of these witnesses see Booth shoot Lincoln per the pedantic standard you apply to the JFK and Tippit murder?  So what you confirm is that you believe Booth is guilty even though you can't link him to the alleged murder weapon found at the scene, link that weapon to the murder, or have any witness that saw him carry it into Ford's Theatre.  In addition, no witness saw him "shoot" Lincoln as you interpret that term in the JFK case.  He was just there at his work place like a bunch of other actors.  But he is obviously guilty while there is somehow doubt concerning Oswald.

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Shouldn't this thread be in the "Off Topic" section?

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Offline John Mytton

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Wow.  The guy who repeatedly questions handwriting analysis as unscientific in the case of "Hidell" cites Booth's handwritten diary as evidence of his guilt!  LOL.  You can't make that up.  And we learn it suddenly doesn't matter whether you can link Booth and by implication Oswald to the murder weapons?  I'm speechless at the profound ignorance of that statement.  And who are these "entire theatre" full of witnesses who saw Booth with a Derringer?  You made that up.  They must have had great eyesight to ID the weapon in his hand in a darkened theatre while their attention was focused on the play and match it to the one found later.  But the witnesses who saw Oswald with a gun at the Tippit scene are discounted.  Did any of these witnesses see Booth shoot Lincoln per the pedantic standard you apply to the JFK and Tippit murder?  So what you confirm is that you believe Booth is guilty even though you can't link him to the alleged murder weapon found at the scene, link that weapon to the murder, or have any witness that saw him carry it into Ford's Theatre.  In addition, no witness saw him "shoot" Lincoln as you interpret that term in the JFK case.  He was just there at his work place like a bunch of other actors.  But he is obviously guilty while there is somehow doubt concerning Oswald.

btw:  Rathbone later murdered his wife and was committed to an insane asylum.  Maybe he assassinated Lincoln that is why Booth fought him.  It's possible and that is all that counts when trying to raise false doubt.



Thanks for baiting him and exposing the outrageous double standards. Hilarious!

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That was as complete a destruction of an Anyone But Oswald fraud as I've seen Richard Smith. Kudos.  Thumb1:
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That was as complete a destruction of an Anyone But Oswald fraud as I've seen Richard Smith. Kudos.  Thumb1:

Richard has made CTer bubbleheads explode everywhere, and without even yodelling.

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Online John Iacoletti

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Wow.  The guy who repeatedly questions handwriting analysis as unscientific in the case of "Hidell" cites Booth's handwritten diary as evidence of his guilt!  LOL.  You can't make that up.

Again with the false equivalacies, but not at all surprising coming from Strawman "Richard".

Booth's diary was found on his person, not identified as his handwriting via 2 block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of a 2-inch order blank.

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  And we learn it suddenly doesn't matter whether you can link Booth and by implication Oswald to the murder weapons?

Because you don't have any actual evidence that Oswald shot anybody, so you have to resort to gymnastics over the purchase of the weapon.

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  I'm speechless at the profound ignorance of that statement.  And who are these "entire theatre" full of witnesses who saw Booth with a Derringer?  You made that up.

I'm speechless at your inability to read.  I said that the theatre full of people saw him leap from the balcony.

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  They must have had great eyesight to ID the weapon in his hand in a darkened theatre while their attention was focused on the play and match it to the one found later.  But the witnesses who saw Oswald with a gun at the Tippit scene are discounted.

False equivalence.  Booth was a famous actor who theater patrons knew well.  Oswald was identified in unfair rigged lineups by people who didn't know him and described him differently.

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  Did any of these witnesses see Booth shoot Lincoln per the pedantic standard you apply to the JFK and Tippit murder?

Booth was seen in the theater box with a gun in his hand immediately after Lincoln was shot.  Oswald was seen in a different location a couple minutes after JFK was shot with no gun in his hand.  See how that works?

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    In addition, no witness saw him "shoot" Lincoln as you interpret that term in the JFK case.  He was just there at his work place like a bunch of other actors.  But he is obviously guilty while there is somehow doubt concerning Oswald.

Nobody saw Oswald do anything.  It's not surprising that you don't see the difference, because to you speculation is considered evidence.

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btw:  Rathbone later murdered his wife and was committed to an insane asylum.  Maybe he assassinated Lincoln that is why Booth fought him.  It's possible and that is all that counts when trying to raise false doubt.

Cool.  Any evidence of this mental instability in 1865?  Clara Harris and Mary Todd were in the presidential box too.

Witnesses who saw Oswald shoot JFK:  ZERO

The only reason you have to pretend you know that it was "Oswald's rifle" is because you don't have anything else.  In Booth's case they had eyewitnesses. They had accomplices.  They had a diary.  They didn't have to resort to nonsense like "he left his ring in a cup" as "evidence".

Booth:  Sic Semper Tyrannis
Oswald: I really don't know what the situation is about. Nobody has told me anything.

But if you want to make a case for reasonable doubt in Lincoln's murder, then knock yourself out.  It does nothing to advance your case against Oswald.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Again with the false equivalacies, but not at all surprising coming from Strawman "Richard".

Oswald was seen at the Tippit scene immediately after the shooting with a gun in his hand.
Call that a 'false equivalency', Professor Wiki.

Booth's diary was found on his person, not identified as his handwriting via 2 block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of a 2-inch order blank.

Because you don't have any actual evidence that Oswald shot anybody, so you have to resort to gymnastics over the purchase of the weapon.

I'm speechless at your inability to read.  I said that the theatre full of people saw him leap from the balcony.

False equivalence.  Booth was a famous actor who theater patrons knew well.  Oswald was identified in unfair rigged lineups by people who didn't know him and described him differently.

Booth was seen in the theater box with a gun in his hand immediately after Lincoln was shot.  Oswald was seen in a different location a couple minutes after JFK was shot with no gun in his hand.  See how that works?

Nobody saw Oswald do anything.  It's not surprising that you don't see the difference, because to you speculation is considered evidence.

Cool.  Any evidence of this mental instability in 1865?  Clara Harris and Mary Todd were in the presidential box too.

Witnesses who saw Oswald shoot JFK:  ZERO

The only reason you have to pretend you know that it was "Oswald's rifle" is because you don't have anything else.  In Booth's case they had eyewitnesses. They had conspirators.  They had a diary.  They didn't have to resort to nonsense like "he left his ring in a cup" as "evidence".

How does leaping from the balcony prove to the audience that Booth shot anybody. Did Clara or Mary see Booth actually shoot Lincoln? Or were they pressured to say they actually saw the physical act of Booth pointing the gun at him?

Did anybody see Booth actually pull the trigger? That seems to be a standard of proof you require.. even when a certain Mystery Guest #2 (AKA Dirty Harvey*) is seen at the Tippit scene during the murder of Tippit, not only with a gun in his hand but actually emptying it.

Witnesses who saw AnybodyButOswald shoot Kennedy: ZERO
Persons other than the shooter who knew an attempt on Kennedy was going to be made that day: ZERO

Leaving a wedding ring in a cup is evidence that he left his wedding ring in a cup. Taken at face value, in a vacuum, BFD. You don't live in a vacuum, do you John.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Shouldn't this thread be in the "Off Topic" section?
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Online John Iacoletti

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How does leaping from the balcony prove to the audience that Booth shot anybody. Did Clara or Mary see Booth actually shoot Lincoln? Or were they pressured to say they actually saw the physical act of Booth pointing the gun at him?

Did anybody see Booth actually pull the trigger? That seems to be a standard of proof you require..

No that's Strawman "Smith's" strawman.  The problem isn't that nobody was seen pulling the trigger.  The problem is that there is no evidence of any kind that Oswald was there with a weapon.

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even when a certain Mystery Guest #2 (AKA Dirty Harvey*) is seen at the Tippit scene immediately after the murder of Tippit not only with a gun in his hand but actually emptying it.

We're comparing evidence of Lincoln's assassination vs. JFK's assassination.  Even if the evidence for the Tippit murder was (slightly) better, it tells you nothing about who shot JFK.  They were still unfair lineups.

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No that's Strawman "Smith's" strawman.  The problem isn't that nobody was seen pulling the trigger.  The problem is that there is no evidence of any kind that Oswald was there with a weapon.

We're comparing evidence of Lincoln's assassination vs. JFK's assassination.  Even if the evidence for the Tippit murder was (slightly) better, it tells you nothing about who shot JFK.  They were still unfair lineups.

Note that I've added to my original post before reading this

In the meantime, Oswald was the only person on the face of the planet at the scenes of both crimes. I find that compelling.

Oh, btw... Did Oswald demand a jacket to wear at any of the lineups? ;)


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