Lincoln Assassination Status: a Still Open or Reopenable FBI Investigation?

[John Iacoletti]

Not that you're riding the semantics seesaw
>>> On the scene during the shootings.

And by "on the scene", you mean somewhere in the TSBD building?  That's useful.

Oh, btw... Did Oswald demand a jacket to wear at any of the lineups?

Relevance?

[John Iacoletti]

Oswald's wallet containing Hidell ID was found on Oswald's person.

Unfortunately this ID (that nobody mentioned in any report or interview before Oswald was dead) is not a confession to killing anyone.

And unless you have evidence that someone saw some guy actually pull the trigger then you got nothing.

Are you trying to claim that there is just as much evidence against Oswald as against Booth?

How is following a paper/evidence trail that leads from Kleins records straight to the 6th floor of Oswald's building "gymnastics"?

Because there is no "paper/evidence trail that leads from Kleins records straight to the 6th floor".

Saw "who" jump from the balcony, was this person ever positively identified in an "unfair lineup"? -giggle-

No.  Those were the purview of the Dallas PD.

An unfair rigged lineup contains only 1 person who is holding the weapon, Oswald's lineup's were nothing like that.

They might as well have been one person holding a weapon.

- The fillers were not chosen to resemble the witnesses' descriptions of the perpetrator
- There were only 3 fillers for the lineups and no fillers for the photo identifications
- The fillers were not dressed like Oswald
- The fillers were not dressed to match witnesses' descriptions of the perpetrator
- The person administering the lineup knew which person in the lineup was the suspect
- The witnesses did not view the lineups separately
- Some witnesses knew which man was the suspect before they attended the lineup
- Not all of the men were handcuffed together for the first lineup
- Witnesses were influenced by the physical appearances of both Oswald and the fillers
- Witnesses were influenced by Oswald's complaints about the fairness of the lineups
- Witnesses were intimidated or pressured by the authorities
- Witnesses were asked to sign affidavits which would include who they picked in the lineup before actually viewing the lineup
- The criminal justice system in Dallas County had a history of railroading suspects

In a darkened theater, what could they possibly see?

Evidence that Ford's theater was darkened?  I guess you didn't know about the witness who saw Booth enter the presidential box either.

Oops, Brennan saw Oswald in the sniper's nest, you know the sniper's nest with Oswald fresh prints on the recently moved rifle rest box.

See above and don't forget when Oswald was approached by Police Officers he struck McDonald and then tried to kill McDonald with his revolver.

Evidence that Oswald "tried to kill McDonald with his revolver"?  And what does that have to do with who killed the president?

What, so the handwriting analysis is based on an "unscientific" opinion, you gotta do better than that.

What handwriting analysis?  Why are you so desperately trying to equate two block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy from microfilm found 1000 miles away with a diary containing a confession found on somebody's person?  And then there were his accomplices...

Oswald: Well, it's all over now

Yes, McDonald had a habit of embellishing things that nobody else could attest to.

No, it's just fun exposing a lazy contrarian who applies Polar different conclusions to essentially the same type of evidence.

"Essentially the same type of evidence" is blatantly dishonest and self-serving.

[John Iacoletti]

Seriously? You're missing the point entirely, it's not about who killed who, it's about double standards and the CT's contradictory application of evidence. And btw this is just a surface level analysis, we still haven't started attacking eyewitnesses yet. Muhahaha!

Go for it.  I don't know the Booth case well enough to argue the evidence, but if you think you can then be my guest.  All I ask is that you don't misrepresent the evidence like you and "Richard" do with Oswald.

[Tom Scully]

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btw:  Rathbone later murdered his wife and was committed to an insane asylum.  Maybe he assassinated Lincoln that is why Booth fought him.  It's possible and that is all that counts when trying to raise false doubt.

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Thanks for baiting him and exposing the outrageous double standards. Hilarious!

JohnM

Double standards, or no actual standards? Virginia Davis misrepresented her age to DPD and in her Warren Commission sworn testimony but her credibility is NOT to be questioned, despite unique details she "recounted".

William Whaley created the legend of the LN fleeing the scene of the crime with curious lack of urgency, (ice water in Oswald's veins, cold blooded, reptilian killer, scrambled egg for a brain, per "reporter" Breslin, echoed by Nellie Connally) offering Whaley's
cab to a woman who seemed to Whaley to communicate a greater air of urgency than the LN assassin. Remarkably consistent records into the mid 1940s, including the date of his parents' 1907 marriage, Whaley's 1908 birth year, 1910, '20, '30, and '40 US census records, Whaley's son's birth certificate, and Whaley's 1942 military draft record all indicate he was born in 1908.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13730776/william-wayne-whaley/photo


News reporters, including the highly regarded (by LNs...) Hugh Aynesworth, reported that Whaley served as a "Navy gunner" in the 1945 invasion of Iwo Jima, earning a Navy Cross for his combat related actions. No proof of this high award for his combat service has ever emerged and LNs are remarkably incurious. Whaley's son (and namesake) born in 1931, went to live with Whaley's wife's sister after her 1934, TB related death. Whaley Jr. considered his aunt and her husband to be his parents.

The lack of interest in any of these issues which would predictably influence any reasonable person (the sort sought via voir dire jury pool questioning by both defense and prosecuting attorneys) to discount the general credibility of both Ms. Davis and Mr. Whaley, since their deceptions were ongoing as they testified, are judged less troubling, or of no concern whatsoever, compared to the disqualification of 1865 Lincoln Assassination witness, Maj. Rathbone, because he murdered his wife 18 years after his Lincoln testimony?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rathbone#Final_years_and_death

...On December 23, 1883, Rathbone attacked his children in a fit of madness. Rathbone fatally shot and stabbed his wife, who was attempting to protect the children....

If Booth lived long enough to be tried...."Maj. Rathbone, have you ever contemplated murdering your fiance?"
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"Ms. Davis, (or Mr. Whaley), why do defense investigators inform our Oswald defense team of d.o.b. dates of your background records different from the age you have represnted yourself to be to inquiring officials or to the press?"

Isn't the core deficiency, (for the inquiring, open minded) the deprivation of a criminal trial, owing to lax DPD security, indifference by Sheriff Bill Decker and
Ruby's murderous act, resulted in no defense attorney raising some of the issues (and similarly, about other prosecution witnesses) to a trial jury, which I present in this post?

Hugh Aynesworth reporting on 28 November, 1963 about Whaley and his Navy Cross combat award.:

There is no available record, so far, of Whaley's professed award of the Navy Cross.



Whaley was born in June, 1908 as recently as in the information displayed on his son William W Whaley, Jr's 1931 birth certificate, but since then he was born in 1905 although his parents married in 1907 according to Hopkins County, TX records and the same familoy bible that describes Whaley's birth as in 1908.
UPDATED: Whaley's 1942 Selective Service document indicates he may have written his birth date as June 19, 1908,
three years later than the date on his death certificate and gravestone.

His son and namesake William's 1997 obit lists William Jr's aunt Alice Patterson as his mother and mentions no father.
Whaley Sr's obit does not mention his namesake son, William, Jr.

UPDATE:

Albuquerque Journal from Albuquerque, New Mexico on October 30 ...
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157414971/

Oct 30, 1984 - SEALES Mr. Alvin S. Seales, age 73 and a resident here 21 years, died Monday in a local hospital following an illness. He is survived by his wife, Alice; a son William W. Whaley and wife Dorothy; granddaughter Jamy Whaley; grandson, William W. Whaley Jr. and wife Nancy, all of Albuquerque; a brother ..

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/157070315/
June 24, 1997........
WHALEY William Wayne Whaley, 65, passed away unexpectedly on June 18, 1997 in Michigan while on vacation. Husband of 43 years to Dorothy; father and father-in-law of Jamy and Gregg Peevy and Bill Jr. and Dee Whaley, all of Albuquerque; son of Alice (Pat) Scales of Albuquerque. Mr. Whaley retired from Us Alamos National Ubs in 1993 after 17 years. A memorial service will be held Wednesday, 3:00 p.m. at French Mortuary, Umas Blvd. Chapel, 10500 Umas NE. Cremation has taken place. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to Noonday Ministry, P.O. Box 8769, Albuquerque, NM 87198 or New Mexico Boys and Girls Ranch, 6209 Hendrix NE, Albuquerque, NM 87110. French Mortuary, 10500 Umas NE. Church with Rev. Archie Parker officiating. Interment to follow at Santa Fe National Cemetery with Wilson Cox Jr., David Cox, David O'Dell Jr., Timoth O'Dell, Patrick O'Dell and Jon Palmer serving as pallbearers......

ABQJournal Online - Albuquerque Journal Obituaries
obits.abqjournal.com/obits/show/124434
Jan 30, 1999 - Seales -- Alice (Pat) Seales, passed away Wednesday morning, January 27, 1999, at Sunrise Mission Manor Care and Rehabilitation. She was 91 years old. She was preceded in death by her husband, Alvin S. Seales; and her son, William Whaley. She is survived by her daughter-in-law, Dorothy Whaley; ...

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[Bill Chapman]

William Whaley created the legend of the LN fleeing the scene of the crime with curious lack of urgency, (ice water in Oswald's veins, cold blooded, reptilian killer, scrambled egg for a brain, per "reporter" Breslin, echoed by Nellie Connally) offering Whaley's cab to a woman who seemed to Whaley to communicate a greater air of urgency than the LN assassin.

Seems Oswald presented himself in a normal, minimally-noticed way at that point... fewer 'eyes on' and all that. Like chicken soup, it 'can't hurt' to look unhurried if indeed he had plugged the prez.
 
Too bad for you Oswald grave-site visitors that Dirty Harvey's 'Joe Cool' performance shot out the window (so-to-speak) in front of a certain shoe-store salesman.

[John Mytton]

William Whaley created the legend of the LN fleeing the scene of the crime with curious lack of urgency, (ice water in Oswald's veins, cold blooded, reptilian killer, scrambled egg for a brain, per "reporter" Breslin, echoed by Nellie Connally) offering Whaley's
cab to a woman who seemed to Whaley to communicate a greater air of urgency than the LN assassin.

Whaley wrote the following affidavit the day after and he says that he told the lady there will be a cab behind him very soon and he wasn't sure if Oswald said anything at all.



Anyway I don't know why you people doubt Whaley and the Bus and Cab narrative because Oswald himself admitted that he caught a bus and cab.

Mr. BALL. I don't want you to say he admitted the transfer. I want you to tell me what he said about the transfer.
Mr. FRITZ. He told he that was the transfer the busdriver had given him when he caught the bus to go home. But he had told me if you will remember in our previous conversation that he rode the bus or on North Beckley and had walked home but in the meantime, sometime had told me about him riding a cab.
So, when I asked him about a cab ride if he had ridden in a cab he said yes, he had, he told me wrong about the bus, he had rode a cab. He said the reason he changed, that he rode the bus for a short distance, and the crowd was so heavy and traffic was so bad that he got out and caught a cab, and I asked him some other questions about the cab and I asked him what happened there when he caught the cab and he said there was a lady trying to catch a cab and he told the busdriver, the busdriver told him to tell the lady to catch the cab behind him and he said he rode that cab over near his home, he rode home in a cab.I asked him how much the cab fare was, he said 85 cents.

Mr. STERN - Yes. Did he ever complain that, "We have been over that ground before," or make any such statement?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - No; I don't recall anything along that line, but I can recall one subject matter probably in the first interview where he talked about his method of transportation after leaving the Texas Book Depository, having gotten on a bus, and then that subject was taken up again, as I recall, in the second interview, expressed the same answer at that time, and then subsequently to that interview he backed up and said that it wasn't actually true as to how he got home. That he had taken a bus, and due to the traffic jam he had left the bus and got a taxicab, by which means he actually arrived at his residence.

The not so pristine bus transfer.





JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

Seems Oswald presented himself in a normal, minimally-noticed way at that point... fewer 'eyes on' and all that. Like chicken soup, it 'can't hurt' to look unhurried if indeed he had plugged the prez.

So how do you distinguish between an "unhurried" guy who just shot the president and an unhurried guy who didn't?
 

Too bad for you Oswald grave-site visitors that Dirty Harvey's 'Joe Cool' performance shot out the window (so-to-speak) in front of a certain shoe-store salesman.

Like you even know what Oswald did in front of a certain shoe-store salesman.