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Lack Of Damage To CE-399
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Jack Trojan on April 15, 2020, 01:10:48 AM ---What part of CE-399 did those fragments come from? And why did they shear off from an otherwise slightly deformed bullet? And how much material was lost passing thru the barrel? And where was the DNA on the bullet? And why was it found on the wrong stretcher? And lastly, why does the FBI no longer apply a Neutron Activation Analysis to match bullet fragments?
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The lead came from the base of the bullet. Any blood that might have still been on it when Robert Frazier received it was wiped off by him. It wasn't found on the wrong stretcher. The FBI no longer uses Neutron Activation Analysis to match bullet fragments because the accuracy of the procedure is apparently questionable.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on April 15, 2020, 01:14:46 AM ---She believed that he was either FBI or a Secret Service agent because he was not wearing a uniform. She was shown a photocopy of the following envelope:
She identified the handwriting on it as being hers. Nolan identified his own mark on it. She did not get a handwritten receipt from one of the men. She wrote out a receipt herself and had Nolan sign it. She signed it as well. In her ARRB interview, she described what the receipt was written on.
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Fair enough. I had not seen the actual receipt and only quoted from her ARRB statement. So, she did give it to Nolan after all.
However, although I am not at home and don't have access to all my files, I did check a hard drive with some material on it and came across a newspaper clip from the days of the HSCA. It does not say the name of the paper or an exact date, but mentions that HSCA investigators had finished talking to Audrey Bell. In the article it says that another Patrolman named C. Harbison was also given 3 fragments of a bullet that came from Connally's body. He turned them over to the FBI. My initial thought was that he must have been the other plain clothes officer with Nolan, but the article says that Harbison was given the three fragments on 11/25/63. Three days after Bell gave her fragments to Nolan. I wonder what happened to Harbison's fragments and why he - according to the article - was never called to testify.....
--- Quote ---That is false. She was shown a photocopy of CE 842 and could only make out the large fragment in it. She was sure that there were 3 to 5 fragments in total. She thought four. She did not say that the fragments were too small.
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It does not say in the ARRB report that she was shown a photocopy nor that she could only make out the large fragment. And she did in fact say that the fragments were too small!
The ARRB report says: "When shown CE 842 (page 841 in Warren Commission Volume XVII), she said that the fragment(s) photographed in the container were too small, and were too few in number, to represent what she handled on 11/22/63."
--- Quote ---She never recalled Nolan's name. Why would she? She recalled that the person wasn't in uniform. Since that person was Bobby Nolan, it's not much of an assumption on my part to say that he wasn't wearing a uniform.
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As I said before, fair enough.
Jack Trojan:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on April 15, 2020, 01:19:39 AM ---The lead came from the base of the bullet.
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How do you know this?
--- Quote ---Any blood that might have still been on it when Robert Frazier received it was wiped off by him.
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Huh? Why would he do that?
--- Quote ---It wasn't found on the wrong stretcher.
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So you think CE-399 fell out of Connally's thigh and onto this stretcher? Based on what?
--- Quote ---The FBI no longer uses Neutron Activation Analysis to match bullet fragments because the accuracy of the procedure is apparently questionable.
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So you agree that the fragments could not be matched to CE-399? Then how can you assume they came from it?
Bill Chapman:
--- Quote from: Jack Trojan on April 15, 2020, 01:50:35 AM ---How do you know this?
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John Tonkovich:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on April 13, 2020, 07:25:58 AM ---Why are you including fragments found in the limo? They never came from CE 399. The fragments deposited in Connally came from CE 399. The total mass of the six fragments deposited in Connally comes no where near to exceeding the mass missing from CE 399.
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You can't know the the total mass of what's in Connally. Because some of what you allege to be CE399 is still in Connaly's leg, and he's buried in a coffin Texas.
CE399 never came near Connally.
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