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Lack Of Damage To CE-399
Ray Mitcham:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on February 23, 2019, 07:53:46 PM ---Are you assuming that this was a moment in time for which every detail would be permanently seared in Marina's memory? I take pictures with my camera, with cameras belonging to others. I don't necessarily remember what camera I used let alone how many photos I took.
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You wouldn't remember using a reflex as against an ordinary 35mm camera. Pull the other one, Andrew? Two totally different methods of taking a photograph.
--- Quote --- She remembered taking a photo of her husband with his guns and that there was no one else in the backyard taking photos. When shown that there was more than one photo that appeared to be at a very similar time and in the same location with the same conditions, she agreed that she must have taken more than one. She still couldn't remember taking more than one but she agreed she did only because the photo was shown to her. 133A is very similar to 133C. What makes you think she would not have said the same thing if shown 133C?
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The fact that she said she held the camera up to her eye when she allegedly took them.
--- Quote ---Was the image reversed left to right or upside down? Wikipedia says that TLR cameras with the waist-level finder reversed left and right. That makes sense, because you are looking at the upside-down reflection from the mirror and the mirror is reflecting the focused image from the viewing lens which is inverted (i.e upside down and reversed left-right)But easy to not remember in the first place. Our brain does not store details that are unimportant so that it has room to store the important things. At the time, the detail of where she held the camera was of no importance to her. Why would she remember? She admitted she took at least one of the photos. They were all taken with the Imperial Reflex 620 camera so it is apparent that she was wrong on thinking it was taken with a camera that had an eye-level viewfinder.
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Yes, she was quite wrong, and that what makes it so suspicious. Of course you would remember if you had to look down at an upside down image.
Walt Cakebread:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on February 24, 2019, 02:04:25 AM ---Oh it did happen alright, and her obviously not telling to truth is exactly the point. She can't remember how she operated the camera nor does she recall how many photos she took, but she did instantly remember to destroy the one photo she had, thus displaying an immediate awareness of it's significance.
Perhaps she never really took the pictures in the first place and was only given one. That might explain her very selective memory, might it not?
How about Michael Paine confirming in a TV interview that he had seen a BY photo shortly after it was taken (something he previously denied) or the high quality copy of one photograph (with Russian text that Marina denied writing) that ended up - and years later was found - in a storage unit belonging to George De Mohrenschildt, in a box that De Mohrenschildt believed had been placed there by Michael Paine? The Paine's claimed to not know the De Mohrenschildt's very well, so why would Michael Paine have access to their storage unit, while they were in Ha?ti? And then there was Roscoe White of course. How did he get a copy of a photo? Seems to me, none of these people would have had any connection to the photos if it was just a simple matter of a wife taking some pictures of her husband in the backyard!
And then of course, on a separate note, there was the DPD who claimed to have found the BY photos in Ruth Paine's garage during the second search (with a warrant) on Saturday afternoon, and yet Michael Paine confirmed in his testimony that he was shown a BY photo on Friday evening and asked if he could identify the location, which of course he did. We know he did, because Fritz wrote in his notes that prior to showing a BY photo to Oswald on Saturday, he already knew (from Michael Paine) where the photo was taken.
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she did instantly remember to destroy the one photo she had, thus displaying an immediate awareness of it's significance.
displaying an immediate awareness of it's significance.
On the evening of 11/22/63....Marina told Lee's mother that she had a BY photo and showed it to Marguerite who told her they needed to destroy that photo....
So clearly Marina understood that the photo might be incriminating because she had seen the rifle at the DPD and knew that Lee was holding a rifle in the photo...
Jerry Freeman:
May I suggest that we go to the backyard here?.... https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1744.0.html
And resume 399 here in this thread.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSWSgcuYqDo
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Ray Mitcham on February 24, 2019, 04:52:24 PM ---
Yes, she was quite wrong, and that what makes it so suspicious. Of course you would remember if you had to look down at an upside down image.
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My point was that it is NOT upside-down. It is just switched right-left, which is not that obvious.
Jerry Freeman:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on February 25, 2019, 05:17:01 AM ---My point was that it is NOT upside-down. It is just switched right-left, which is not that obvious.
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A mirror was utilized to keep the image from inverting. I also found the Marina statement about the twin lens camera FBI statement CE 1788 http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1788.pdf
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