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Lack Of Damage To CE-399
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on February 23, 2019, 06:10:42 PM ---Right. I stand corrected. 133c was not introduced as a WC Exhibit but was discovered in 1977 and given that designation by the HSCA. It appears to have been seized by the Dallas police but never tendered in evidence to the WC. Unlike the other two photos (CE133A and CE133B) no negative for this photo was found among Oswald's possessions, which may be the reason they did not try to use it as evidence.
133C appears to have been taken at the same time of day and in the same general location as the other two. Is the only reason you say Marina definitely didn't take it is because she couldn't remember taking three pictures? That makes no sense. She didn't remember taking two pictures, but she said that she obviously did because she was presented with the two pictures. What makes you think that she would not have said something similar if she had been presented with all three? It is not as if she said there was someone other than her in the back yard taking pictures.
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Is the only reason you say Marina definitely didn't take it is because she couldn't remember taking three pictures? That makes no sense. She didn't remember taking two pictures,
How does Marina not remembering she took two photos relate to the fact that she did remember having one of the pictures (which turned out to be the fourth) in her possession and destroying it to keep it from law enforcement? Does that make any sense to you?
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Walt Cakebread on February 23, 2019, 09:26:08 PM --- 133c was not introduced as a WC Exhibit but was discovered in 1977 and given that designation by the HSCA. It appears to have been seized by the Dallas police but never tendered in evidence to the WC.
So what you're saying is The DPD had the evidence (133c) and withheld it from a legal investigation.... That my friend is FELONY..... So the DPD were felons.
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There were a lot of items that did not get put into evidence before the WC. They did not put the entire contents of Ruth Paine's garage into evidence. Someone has to decide what is relevant and what is not. Having said that, I agree that 133c should have been put into evidence. We don't know why it wasn't. Maybe someone handling the Dallas Police exhibits saw there were two negatives and thought, without doing a careful comparison, that 133c was just a copy of one of the others. We don't know why it was not put into evidence. If it showed something significant not shown in the other two one might think up a sinister reason, but that isn't the case.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on February 23, 2019, 11:05:24 PM ---Is the only reason you say Marina definitely didn't take it is because she couldn't remember taking three pictures? That makes no sense. She didn't remember taking two pictures,
How does Marina not remembering she took two photos relate to the fact that she did remember having one of the pictures (which turned out to be the fourth) in her possession and destroying it to keep it from law enforcement? Does that make any sense to you?
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If that is what happened, then Marina was not telling the truth when she said that she thought she had taken only one photo. What's your point?
Jerry Freeman:
This thread is really going wildly off topic.....
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on February 23, 2019, 11:27:49 PM ---If that is what happened, then Marina was not telling the truth when she said that she thought she had taken only one photo. What's your point?
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The point is that Marina was lying when she said that she took any of the pictures.
I would like to see in all of her testimony before the Warren Commission a quote that she used/identified CE-750 [the Imperial Twin lens Reflex Camera] to take the Backyard pictures.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on February 23, 2019, 11:27:49 PM ---
If that is what happened, then Marina was not telling the truth when she said that she thought she had taken only one photo. What's your point?
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Oh it did happen alright, and her obviously not telling to truth is exactly the point. She can't remember how she operated the camera nor does she recall how many photos she took, but she did instantly remember to destroy the one photo she had, thus displaying an immediate awareness of it's significance.
Perhaps she never really took the pictures in the first place and was only given one. That might explain her very selective memory, might it not?
How about Michael Paine confirming in a TV interview that he had seen a BY photo shortly after it was taken (something he previously denied) or the high quality copy of one photograph (with Russian text that Marina denied writing) that ended up - and years later was found - in a storage unit belonging to George De Mohrenschildt, in a box that De Mohrenschildt believed had been placed there by Michael Paine? The Paine's claimed to not know the De Mohrenschildt's very well, so why would Michael Paine have access to their storage unit, while they were in Ha?ti? And then there was Roscoe White of course. How did he get a copy of a photo? Seems to me, none of these people would have had any connection to the photos if it was just a simple matter of a wife taking some pictures of her husband in the backyard!
And then of course, on a separate note, there was the DPD who claimed to have found the BY photos in Ruth Paine's garage during the second search (with a warrant) on Saturday afternoon, and yet Michael Paine confirmed in his testimony that he was shown a BY photo on Friday evening and asked if he could identify the location, which of course he did. We know he did, because Fritz wrote in his notes that prior to showing a BY photo to Oswald on Saturday, he already knew (from Michael Paine) where the photo was taken.
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