Celebs and Fams of Kennedy, MLK Demand New Probes

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Paul, glad to see you "get" it. BTW, I am in the preliminary planning stages of creating a site patterned after MF.org.
Would you be open at all to considering a collaboration?



Update: I was impressed that the FBI investigation of alleged presidential assassin JW Booth to the
extent I subjected myself just now to a two hour crash course on the Lincoln Assassination controversy, resulting in this new thread.:
Lincoln Assassination Status: a Still Open or Reopenable FBI Investigation?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1657.0.html

Trust me, Denis, Tom's not been drunk-posting, like many un-named others (including myself..... sumtimes).  Taken as a whole, his research is far removed from that.  Listen to what he says. 

[Tim Nickerson]

Denis, not profound,  merely attempted a pragmatic reply to the premise of the thread. I only assumed you are informed of the Irish backstop
issue which is symbolic of the consequence of the Putin influenced/assisted, Brexit vote result. I do not assume more awareness of your circumstances
than my assumption you reside somewhere in the UK.

  Putin is the man.  Is there anything he can't do?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Well stated Tom.

Paul: I assume that was tongue in cheek? Or that you are saying it was a well stated argument but not one you believe in? Certainly you don't think Trump and Putin and "their forces" have been covering up what happened to JFK in Dallas in 1963? Earl Warren and Putin?

Connecting events today, Brexit, Trump et cetera, to the events a half a century ago is nonsensical. It's projecting one's personal grievances today of Trump et al onto the shooting of JFK.

This, at bottom, is the main problem with the conspiracy believers: they are using the shooting of JFK as a vehicle to express their anger/dislike with people, e.g., LBJ or Hoover of "them", and institutions today. Or more accurately, projecting their dislike of people today BACK on events a half century ago.

The only hatred in Dallas in 1963 that led to JFK's assassination was the personal hatred of the world of one Lee Harvey Oswald. He hated the US, he hated JFK, and he wanted to strike back at those entities.

[Paul May]

Paul, glad to see you "get" it. BTW, I am in the preliminary planning stages of creating a site patterned after MF.org.
Would you be open at all to considering a collaboration?



Update: I was impressed that the FBI investigation of alleged presidential assassin JW Booth to the
extent I subjected myself just now to a two hour crash course on the Lincoln Assassination controversy, resulting in this new thread.:
Lincoln Assassination Status: a Still Open or Reopenable FBI Investigation?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1657.0.html

Explain in a message Tom.  Thanks.

[Tom Scully]

Explain in a message Tom.  Thanks.

The controversies/questions still lingeringing over "what really happened" with regard to who was responsible for killing President Lincoln...(continued
below book page image)
Abraham Lincoln's Execution
By Griffin, John Chandler (Book published in 2006 by South Carolina college professor. Image below describes aftermath of Neff's 1957 discovery)


....indicate the deep seated concerns about the Assassination of JFK.....55 years on....are now extremely unlikely to ever be resolved among those
most concerned and troubled about what really happened, vs. official and MSM story lines.

Meanwwhile, there is a rapid, worldwide rise of authoritarianism. In the U.S. and in the U.K. there is a deep divide over what really happened with regard to
the Brexit and the 2016 US presidential votes.  Our institutions cannot determine what really happened two years ago. Truth is elusive and the victors
write the history. I am not the elementary school student I was in 1963. We should be concentrating our attention on the degree of outside influences that
have dramatically set back the recent progress resulting in an open border between the UK and the Irish Republic and the European continent and
the election, two times, of America's first president not a caucasian male. We can also investigate and push back against the rise of an oligarchical class
and its political influence, worldwide.

Certainly we have the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time, but the present landscape outlined in the preceding paragraph comprise daunting challenges.
If by some miracle unimpeachable truth emerges pinpointing ultimate responsibility fot the assassinations of Lincoln, JFK, RFK, and MLK, and the institutions
presiding to consider the evidence are the Trump, Putin, post Merkel (she embraced Emma Lazarus's poem), and post Brexit UK governments, will the main question be, if a tree falls in the forest but no one hears it fall....etc.?

We can honor them, at this point, by instilling their ideals in the present.

[Robert Reeves]

The controversies/questions still lingeringing over "what really happened" with regard to who was responsible for killing President Lincoln...(continued
below book page image)
Abraham Lincoln's Execution
By Griffin, John Chandler (Book published in 2006 by South Carolina college professor. Image below describes aftermath of Neff's 1957 discovery)


....indicate the deep seated concerns about the Assassination of JFK.....55 years on....are now extremely unlikely to ever be resolved among those
most concerned and troubled about what really happened, vs. official and MSM story lines.

Meanwwhile, there is a rapid, worldwide rise of authoritarianism. In the U.S. and in the U.K. there is a deep divide over what really happened with regard to
the Brexit and the 2016 US presidential votes.  Our institutions cannot determine what really happened two years ago. Truth is elusive and the victors
write the history. I am not the elementary school student I was in 1963. We should be concentrating our attention on the degree of outside influences that
have dramatically set back the recent progress resulting in an open border between the UK and the Irish Republic and the European continent and
the election, two times, of America's first president not a caucasian male. We can also investigate and push back against the rise of an oligarchical class
and its political influence, worldwide.

Certainly we have the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time, but the present landscape outlined in the preceding paragraph comprise daunting challenges.
If by some miracle unimpeachable truth emerges pinpointing ultimate responsibility fot the assassinations of Lincoln, JFK, RFK, and MLK, and the institutions
presiding to consider the evidence are the Trump, Putin, post Merkel (she embraced Emma Lazarus's poem), and post Brexit UK governments, will the main question be, if a tree falls in the forest but no one hears it fall....etc.?

We can honor them, at this point, by instilling their ideals in the present.

@Tom ... Your Brexit conspiracies trigger me. The linking of Brexit's coming to fruition (17m people voting for it) to Putin, specifically. I used to have long debates with my dad about the EU, or EC ... as it was then. He was youngish in 75, and he he participated in the first EVER referendum, for the people, to decide the direction this country will take. He voted Yes, to enter. He would go into great length about all the pros and cons he was subjected to in the media, just like we were bombarded with in the second referendum. In his later years the biggest gripe he's had with the EU was that he feels they've 'taking over' the country. Literally ruling us from offshore. That we're being ruled by unelected foreigners - which is mostly true. And he'd not signed onto this plan. Especially as the majority of those EU politicians ruling the parliament are extreme liberal-minded morons. One of the most interesting slogans for the Yes campaign I found when I decided to review all my dad told me about the first referendum was this one ... "Better to lose a little national sovereignty than a son or daughter". The proposition we'll be safer, no more wars! This was brought up a lot during the EC/EU 75 referendum, apparently. My dad might have missed that beauty, he obviously didn't notice he'd signed onto relieving parliament of its duties to the people.

Well the truth is we might not have had wars with our neighbours. But the UK, the people, have been subjected to countless psychological wars, since. The IRA. Home-grown radicalized Islamic terrorists (because two pricks decided to lead our two nations into places we had no business being there). Mass immigration - firstly with Eastern Europeans coming into UK by the many thousands, very cheap labor, working class people, mid to low skilled. Running a lot of British trades people out of work. My own parents employed two Polish girls. They were hard workers and never complained or gave any hassle. The mass immigration never ends. Countless wars in the middle east have flooded Europe with real refugees, fact. But it's also attracted many millions of freeloading economic predators from around the world that are simply milking the system. Eroding our social welfare system many of you in the USA would probably benefit from. The housing in UK is completely at a standstill. But yet we accept more and more migrants. Free housing is issued to them, sometimes, as a priority over nationals that have been on housing lists for a few years. Not fair. Our capital is almost the crime capital on the planet. Knife crime, acid attacks, muggings, shootings, drug gangs, etc. This country feels like it's sliding into an abyss. If we continue to allow an offshore 'parliament' ran by alcoholic morons like Juncker. Be honest, can you believe this guy is the President of the European Commission? an unelected elitist - he supported the destruction of Libya - enabling many of the migrant crisis we see in the mediterranean. The son of a war-time nazi. He and many of the fellow EU parliamentarians sowed the destruction of the EU. the imperialist actions in Libya have opened the floodgates of African migrants to Europe. Hence the Italians - Salvini.

I work with a Polish chap, and we discussed Brexit ... he's making plans to live and work in Germany. He think's it will be too expensive for him to live here. He's lived in the UK for 14 years, he was one of the original Polish 700,000 to come in the early 2000's. So he's seen pretty much all the debates about how migration and immigrants have affected UK. Well he said to me that he's now got a lot of sympathy for UK people, he can respect our hostility towards the great changes that have visited our shores. Because he recently traveled back to Poland to visit the family. He couldn't believe the changes. 1.7 million Ukrainian refugees have been accepted by Poland (courtesy of you know who). My workmate told me there are the exact same tensions going on in Poland, now, Polish people are angry with the rate of changes to their neighborhoods. They are increasingly hostile to the 'newcomers'. Cheap labor, running down rates, pushing out the locals, crime, everything the Brits were lambasted for complaining about when it came to mass immigration, that we've been subjected to. His family back home in Poland have been affected by the change and he is fearful for what will happen there.

The simple truth is Europeans ... per se ... are each grumbling about the EU parliament's bumbling idiot leaders always getting it wrong. People are getting sick and tired of failings. And you, as an American, you wouldn't tolerate being run by a bunch of people you do not have the power to vote in or out. And you know it's true.

BTW, I was just 30 minutes from being in the heart of 7/7. I was due to be in Tavistock Square where 13 people were blown up. It was stressful enough being in London that day, with all the chaos going on. I lay the blame for this Islamic terror that quite often visits UK shores directly at the Blair government - Blair - a pro EU remainer - a war criminal. We're being subjected to a new IRA, in my eyes,  a psychological war on the people of this country. And not for something the majority of us backed in the first place. And at this critical time in the UK, with all the chaos ... the EU simply cannot be ruling this nation at a time when OUR politicians MUST be accountable to the electorate.

Plus the massive lack of confidence pro-Brexit voters will have in democracy (17m) ...this country is going to be more effed up and headed towards great strife than maybe ever before without a total Brexit, deal or no deal.

Non-related section ensuessssssssssss.

[Walt Cakebread]

Paul: I assume that was tongue in cheek? Or that you are saying it was a well stated argument but not one you believe in? Certainly you don't think Trump and Putin and "their forces" have been covering up what happened to JFK in Dallas in 1963? Earl Warren and Putin?

Connecting events today, Brexit, Trump et cetera, to the events a half a century ago is nonsensical. It's projecting one's personal grievances today of Trump et al onto the shooting of JFK.

This, at bottom, is the main problem with the conspiracy believers: they are using the shooting of JFK as a vehicle to express their anger/dislike with people, e.g., LBJ or Hoover of "them", and institutions today. Or more accurately, projecting their dislike of people today BACK on events a half century ago.

The only hatred in Dallas in 1963 that led to JFK's assassination was the personal hatred of the world of one Lee Harvey Oswald. He hated the US, he hated JFK, and he wanted to strike back at those entities.

The only hatred in Dallas in 1963 that led to JFK's assassination was the hatred of,  General Edwin Walker, H.L.Hunt, Earl Cabell, Charles Cabell, D.H Byrd, Henry Wade, Jack Ruby, J.D Tippit  and dozens more......