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When did Jarman and Norman go to the 5th floor?
Walt Cakebread:
--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on January 30, 2018, 11:27:09 PM ---And your reason for not believing it is....because you fabricated a different story.
We're talking about what Oswald said. And nobody who was present at the interrogation said that he said that. Sorry Walt, you just made it up. Again.
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We're talking about what Oswald said.
Were not talking about what Oswald said without regard to the EVENT he was talking about.....
He said that he saw Jarman and Norman come in......
It's true that HE didn't know them by name.... but we do.....
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Walt Cakebread on January 30, 2018, 11:35:59 PM ---We're talking about what Oswald said.
Were not talking about what Oswald said without regard to the EVENT he was talking about.....
He said that he saw Jarman and Norman come in......
It's true that HE didn't know them by name.... but we do.....
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You don't get to take what Norman and Jarman said they did and pretend that Oswald said that he saw that. Sorry, that's just a fabrication. All we know is that he said something about seeing Norman and Jarman at some unspecified time and place.
Fritz's notes: "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."
Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."
Bookhout's report: "recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period."
Kelley's report: "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy."
You're basing your entire fabrication on cherry-picking your interpretation of Fritz's "came in" note and ignoring everything else. Norman and Jarman didn't say they had lunch with Oswald, nor did they "walk through" the domino room at 12:27. It's not even very plausible that someone sitting in the domino room would have seen them come in the loading dock door and walk to the elevators because of the sight lines.
Walt Cakebread:
--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on January 30, 2018, 11:45:49 PM ---You don't get to take what Norman and Jarman said they did and pretend that Oswald said that he saw that. Sorry, that's just a fabrication. All we know is that he said something about seeing Norman and Jarman at some unspecified time and place.
Fritz's notes: "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."
Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."
Bookhout's report: "recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period."
Kelley's report: "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy."
You're basing your entire fabrication on cherry-picking your interpretation of Fritz's "came in" note and ignoring everything else. Norman and Jarman didn't say they had lunch with Oswald, nor did they "walk through" the domino room at 12:27. It's not even very plausible that someone sitting in the domino room would have seen them come in the loading dock door and walk to the elevators because of the sight lines.
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Fritz's report: "he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know."
But this is NOT what his note says......Fritz's notes: "two negr. came in.....one Jr. + short negro."
Colin Crow:
To John and Walt. Perhaps we can find what we can agree on. During interrogation Oswald mentioned an awareness of Jarman and Norman associated in some way with the lunch room. Would that satisfy?
Bob Prudhomme:
I have mistakenly assumed, over the years, that the Domino Room, if that is what we are referring to as the "lunch room", was more centrally located; and that it had a door going into it and another door leading out of it (or vice versa). However, I see from the floor plan that I was mistaken, and that it is in a corner with only one door into it.
If Jarman and Norman were entering the rear of the TSBD for the purpose of going up to the 5th floor, just before the motorcade arrived, why would they take a detour into the Domino Room?
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