Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

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Offline Ted Shields

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #343 on: January 30, 2020, 04:57:30 PM »
If the CIA was framing Oswald on this then why release a photo of a guy that is clearly not Oswald? Doesn't that expose their framing?

Coupled with Oswalds signature on the hotel guestbook it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #344 on: January 30, 2020, 05:37:54 PM »
James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio at the so-called Education Forum and of the above-linked website is full of beans.



Tom, if you take all of the pet theories and name-calling away and just look at the cold facts of the case, the events of Oswald's life the last 18 months or so he was alive are too numerous for it to be mere coincidence. My father - 1,000 miles away from Oswald - was also doing the exact same kind of work (warehouse) as Oswald was. But where were all of these right-wing Russians literally hanging on to him? Where was the friendly Quaker neighbor driving him and/or my [deaf Mom] around? Where was that same neighbor nosing around and typing up my Dad's correspondence? And so on...

People like to paint LHO as some madman but the evidence proves otherwise. And I don't really care about getting into the "who did it" guessing game. *Someone* was steering this guy around and my hunch is he was most probably supposed to be gunned down in some kind of fake shootout before he ever had the chance to blurt out that he was a patsty. The lesser he was to say, the better.

If you go from A [Hoover saying the voice/photo does not match LHO] to B [he said he was a patsy] to C [his death on live TV before he could say more] everything else said above then makes perfect sense.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #345 on: January 30, 2020, 05:48:29 PM »
Coupled with Oswalds signature on the hotel guestbook it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #346 on: January 30, 2020, 07:18:21 PM »
You believe the communist Azcue. You cannot say I am "gullible" for believing the communist KGB agents and also say that you get to believe the communist Azcue.

You need to apply your own rules to your own arguments.

Second: I do not believe Oswald went to MC because these agents said he did. I believe the totality of evidence: the eyewitnesses, the physical evidence, and the circumstantial evidence. All of it combined indicates he went to Mexico City.

You dismiss all of this as being faked or staged. Fine, believe what you want but don't ask for evidence and then when presented it simply say it's faked. This is what the "CIA killed JFK" conspiracy advocates do. You know that their thinking is illogical. You should be able to recognize that your own thinking is also illogical.

Steve "M.",

Can you think of any reason for Azcue's describing the man who allegedly gave Sylvia Duran the passport-sized photos of Oswald (which look to me as though they were taken in the USSR when Oswald's hair and face were fuller and he apparently liked to wear his sweater vest) and probably the already forged visa application in such a way that perfectly described KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov, whom we know was working under diplomatic cover at the Soviet embassy as "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache," and who was photographed by the CIA near said embassy one day after "Oswald's" October 1st "Kostikov" phone call (wearing what could very well be a dark blue Prince of Wales suit with reddish pinstripes / highlights)? 

Unfortunately, the two CIA photos that were taken of him that day, although they do show his blond hair and his thin physique, do not do justice to his "very thin face" nor his blue eyes not his short (5' 7") stature nor his 35 years-of-age.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  What are the chances Oswald wore that sweater vest to or in Mexico City in late September?  Was he expecting cool or cold weather there?

LOL

PPS  What do you know about Guenter Schulz (Hoover's "Tumbleweed")?

Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's beloved "Fedora")?

Oleg Brykin at the U.N.?

Valiery Kostikov at the Soviet consulate?

KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (spelled several different ways in Angleton's Church Committee testimony transcript)?

Soviet embassy "security guard" Ivan Obyedkov (spelled "Byetkov" in the above-mentioned transcript)?

KGB  "active measures counterintelligence operations" and "strategic deception counterintelligence operations," in general?

Not much?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n3/mode/2up

LOL

PPPS  Please don't run away, again, now ...
« Last Edit: January 31, 2020, 07:52:25 PM by Thomas Graves »

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #347 on: January 30, 2020, 08:06:32 PM »
Steve "M.",

Can you think of any reason for Azcue's describing the man who allegedly gave Sylvia Duran the passport-sized photos of Oswald (which look to me as though they were taken in the USSR when Oswald's hair and face were fuller and he apparently liked to wear his sweater vest) in such a way that perfectly described KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov, whom we know was working under diplomatic cover at the Soviet embassy as "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache," and who was photographed by the CIA near said embassy one day after "Oswald's" October 1st "Kostikov" phone call (wearing what could very well be a dark blue Prince of Wales suit with reddish pinstripes / highlights)? 

Unfortunately, the two CIA photos that were taken of him that day, although they do show his blond hair and his thin physique, do not do justice to his "very thin face" nor his blue eyes not his short (5' 7") stature nor his 35 years-of-age.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  What are the chances Oswald wore that sweater vest to or in Mexico City in late September?  Was he expecting cool or cold weather there?

LOL

PPS  What do you know about Guenter Schulz (Hoover's "Tumbleweed")?

Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's beloved "Fedora")?

Oleg Brykin at the U.N.?

Valiery Kostikov at the Soviet consulate?

KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov (spelled several different ways in Angleton's Church Committee testimony transcript)?

Soviet embassy "security guard" Ivan Obyedkov (spelled "Byetkov" in the above-mentioned transcript)?

KGB  "active measures counterintelligence operations" and "strategic deception counterintelligence operations," in general?

Not much?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n3/mode/2up

LOL

PPPS  Please don't run away, again, now ...

Mexico City has an elevation of over 7000 ft.
Historically, in September, average temp is 53 (low) to 74 ( high).  Fahrenheit.

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #348 on: January 30, 2020, 08:47:46 PM »
Mexico City has an elevation of over 7000 ft.
Historically, in September, average temp is 53 (low) to 74 ( high).  Fahrenheit.

Not exactly cold, then, huh?

Regardless, no matter how we look at it (i.e., whether the "Oswald" she dealt with on September 27 was wearing the sweater vest and tie depicted in the passport-sized photo, or the blue Prince of Wales suit which Azcue described in some detail), Sylvia Duran lied, I fear, when she described "Oswald" as  "cheaply-dressed," whatever that means.

Why did she lie like that?

To do "damage control" on the Leonov-indicating stuff she'd already let slip out to the Mexican police back around December of 1963, and to her 1978 HSCA inquisitors?

And how could her description of what Oswald or "Oswald" was wearing be so different from Azcue's?

Is she suggesting that most of the men who visited her office at the Cuban consulate wore Armani suits, Bruno Magli shoes and Rolex watches, or something?

LOL

--  MWT  ;)
« Last Edit: January 31, 2020, 03:00:28 PM by Thomas Graves »

Offline Ted Shields

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #349 on: January 31, 2020, 09:51:39 AM »
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How did it end up on the guest book in the hotel?

Who did it?

Why bother?

Where was Oswald really during this time?