Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

[Walt Cakebread]

If Barnett is certain that he is guarding the front entrance door by 3 min post shots, and Mrs Reid is certain that Oswald entered the rear door of the 2nd floor office at 2 min post shots walked "slowly", and that Oswald was only wearing a T shirt

then Oswald would not exit by front door of the 2nd floor office until 2 min 30 sec, having to travel about 90 ft at 3 ft/sec pace (slow)

Oswald would then have to travel 100 ft in the outer hallway to RETURN to the 2nd floor lunchroom to get his brown shirt which he defacto must have taken off after being seen by  Baker and Truly, with at least a long sleeve shirt on, any possibly a jacket also.

Then Oswald must go back down the hallway again, yet another 115 ft  to reach the front stairs, or else use the rear staircase, then trek acroos 140 ft of 1st floor to reach front door. There is also about 20 ft to travel from the bottom stair of the front staircase thru the lobby, to reach the front doors.

Total distance = 235 ft. plus an 18 step staircase with a 4ft mid landing
Subtracting 10 sec for going down front staircase  leaves Oswald about 25 sec at best to travel 235 ft,
235ft/25sec= 9.4 ft/sec sustained average speed.
This is without  adding the extra seconds to have slowed to a stop, to get his brown shirt and jacket, nor adds slowing down caused by 2 doors entering from hallway to lunchroom ,nor the repetition going thru those 2 doors and then a 3rd door just before getting to the staircase.
If you add those delays in, its closer to 10 ft/sec, which is flat out maximum sprinting the ENTIRE distance.
Using the rear stair is even more distance, approx 140 ft at least, so  total  distance would be 255 ft.


This is, imo, highly improbable and it also is in stark contrast to Oswalds previous slow movement and apparent lack of urgency when seen by Mrs Reid. Plus, its not even necessary to have used the front door, if there is a West side entrance which may not have been yet secured by 3 min post shots and is close enough to the back stair, to use, if Oswald had seen that the rear dock door of the annex roofed part of the dock was the route he might have tried first.


No one saw Oswald doing this 235 ft Olympic speed sprinting, nor saw him exit the front door, the rear door, OR the West door, so the answer must be some LAX actual securing of the doors , despite Barnetts statement or else, Oswald met Mrs Reid BEFORE he met Baker and Truly, but that is a question of the Couch Film time vs the Wiegman film and ive already mentioned the anamoly there between  Weigmans film STOPPED at 13-15 secs post shots, but this being captured in the Couch film at the 8 sec mark in Couch film thus not possible if Couch film did not begin until 24 sec post shots.


Perhaps there is an explanation by Weigman that  he remained standing frozen after stopping his 1st sequence of fliming, camera off, not doing anything for another 17 secs after filming the 2 people (the Hesters) and then he decides to turn around and notices the Newmans laying on the ground. This event captured by Couch at 32 sec post shots, 8 seconds into Couch film which began at 24 sec post shots

"Mrs Reid is certain that Oswald entered the rear door of the 2nd floor office at 2 min post shots walked "slowly", and that Oswald was only wearing a T shirt"

I'll have to agree....This would definitely be a very memorable event......

[Zeon Mason]

Bonnie Ray Williams had to have left the SE 6th story window by 12:22:30 so as to have reached the elevator and be off the 6th floor by 12:23, so as to allow Oswald, the presumed shooter at least 30 sec to walk onto the 6th floor from probably hiding on the 6th floor staircase midway up, and then 30 sec to select which boxes to stack and place one box on the window ledge by 12:24 so the box is seen in the Bronson film at 12:24


But if Jarman is correct that he and Norman were at their windows when they were joined by BRW only a "few minutes later", that would mean Jarman/Norman had to have left from out front of TSBD on street level by 12:18 so as to be at their windows by 12:20. thus "several minutes" earlier than BRW joining them at 12:23

However, what reason would Jarman and Norman have for leaving as early as 12:18 if the radio transmission imforming of JFK limo approaching was not until 12:22pm?

[Colin Crow]

Bonnie Ray Williams had to have left the SE 6th story window by 12:22:30 so as to have reached the elevator and be off the 6th floor by 12:23, so as to allow Oswald, the presumed shooter at least 30 sec to walk onto the 6th floor from probably hiding on the 6th floor staircase midway up, and then 30 sec to select which boxes to stack and place one box on the window ledge by 12:24 so the box is seen in the Bronson film at 12:24


But if Jarman is correct that he and Norman were at their windows when they were joined by BRW only a "few minutes later", that would mean Jarman/Norman had to have left from out front of TSBD on street level by 12:18 so as to be at their windows by 12:20. thus "several minutes" earlier than BRW joining them at 12:23

However, what reason would Jarman and Norman have for leaving as early as 12:18 if the radio transmission imforming of JFK limo approaching was not until 12:22pm?

Zeon,
in his WC testimony Norman tells of getting "news" that the motorcade had reached Main. There is clearly a transmission from the lead car about 12.22 that they were approaching Main. Remember the Pres motorcade was back a bit from them. Norman merely says they heard this and does not specify how. Perhaps it was second hand, remember that Rowland talks of hearing a police transmission also during his testimony. The Rowlands were just half a block from the TSBD. Norman and Jarman initially walked south westerly, with Givens (towards the Rowlands), from the front of the TSBD some distance before turning back (Truly testimony). Perhaps they overheard the news from someone as they were walking with Givens and then decided to they had time to return to watch from the 5th floor. In any event they did not start on their journey to the 5th floor before 12.22pm, it may have been a minute or so later. BRW was likely still on the 6th floor just 5 minutes before the shots.

[Colin Crow]

According to Williams first day statement, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, just after he arrived on the 5th floor they saw the President's car come around the corner of Houston and Main. "Just after" sounds pretty consistent with the timing of Jarman and Norman arriving about 12.24 to me. Then again I have no need to move these events to an earlier time. Neither did Williams on the day of the assassination.

[Walt Cakebread]

According to Williams first day statement, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, just after he arrived on the 5th floor they saw the President's car come around the corner of Houston and Main. "Just after" sounds pretty consistent with the timing of Jarman and Norman arriving about 12.24 to me. Then again I have no need to move these events to an earlier time. Neither did Williams on the day of the assassination.

Colin....I'm no at all convinced that BRW was on the sixth floor after 12:20.....   I believe he could have left the sixth floor at about 12:20 and was on the fifth floor when Jarman and Norman started up to the fifth on the elevator.    Since he had encountered "someone" on the sixth floor who told him to leave he didn't want to meet another "someone" who was coming up on the elevator ....so he hid until he could see who had came up on the elevator.  When he learned that it was Norman and Jarman he joined them at the window.....

[Colin Crow]

Colin....I'm no at all convinced that BRW was on the sixth floor after 12:20.....   I believe he could have left the sixth floor at about 12:20 and was on the fifth floor when Jarman and Norman started up to the fifth on the elevator.    Since he had encountered "someone" on the sixth floor who told him to leave he didn't want to meet another "someone" who was coming up on the elevator ....so he hid until he could see who had came up on the elevator.  When he learned that it was Norman and Jarman he joined them at the window.....

Walt, you may be right. What we do know is that Williams was on the 6th floor after 12.15. He left his unfinished lunch in the SN. He was with the others in the Dillard photo. Brennan began observing the TSBD after 12.25. Brennan only "identified" two men on the fifth floor....most obvious is that these were Jarman and Norman and that Williams had not yet joined them at the windows. Rowland observed the TSBD between 12.15 and about 12.25. He saw the gunman at 12.15 in the SW window. He saw a black man (obviously Williams) in the SN also over that period.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, you may be right. What we do know is that Williams was on the 6th floor after 12.15. He left his unfinished lunch in the SN. He was with the others in the Dillard photo. Brennan began observing the TSBD after 12.25. Brennan only "identified" two men on the fifth floor....most obvious is that these were Jarman and Norman and that Williams had not yet joined them at the windows. Rowland observed the TSBD between 12.15 and about 12.25. He saw the gunman at 12.15 in the SW window. He saw a black man (obviously Williams) in the SN also over that period.

I'm try to recall if there are any photos that show the SE corner windows that were taken at about 12: 26 .....  I believe that James Powell snapped a photo at about that time...And the Bronson and Hughes films show the windows at about that time.... Do you know of any other photos?