Oswald in the TSBD just after the shooting

[Bill Chapman]

The link to the 5th floor diagram and the NW corner of the 5th floor is now available in my post you replied to. From their positions in the SW corner they could not see anyone coming down the stairs

Mr. BALL - Where is the window to which you went afterwards to look out when you saw the police and other agents searching boxcars?
Mr. JARMAN - I went to the second window from the south side of the building on the west.
Mr. BALL - Is that the one marked Z?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes.
Mr. BALL - At that time could you see the stairwell when you stood there at Z?
Mr. JARMAN - No, sir; I couldn't.
Mr. BALL - Why?
Mr. JARMAN - Because there is a row of bins there with books in them.
Mr. BALL - They block your view?
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir.

The three amigos couldn't be seen by a sniper coming down the stairs but I'm sure they could have been seen if the sniper decided to go into the fifth floor to do whatever you're assuming he would do and I mentioned that I was speculating so whatever I posted should be taken with that in mind. What is verifiable from their testimony is that they decided to leave the fifth floor because it wasn't safe (and I'm paraphrasing here). What's the point of all this speculation about what the three amigos did on the fifth floor and what they should have done?

Point out where I'm assuming anything. FFS, is your memory so short that you forget that I just suggested that one should not assume what any given witness woulda/shoulda/coulda done?

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Brennen who claims to have seen a man with a gun before during and after (I should note Brennen in his testimony, affidavits, and public interviews states variations but its confusing)

I don't believe that HB said he saw the "High Powered rifle ie;  (HUNTING RIFLE) before the shooting....He said he saw the 175 pound man who was dressed in light colored khaki clothes AIMING the HIGH POWERED rifle DURING the shooting and he saw him place the rifle down at his side after the shooting....

His testimony was intended to be confusing....LBJ's cover up committee wanted us pissants to be confused.....

Walt, I am referring to a public interview Brennen gave with serious wordplay though I always thought he was a convenient plant because he is shady. On the other hand, if he is just goofy but honest it's hard to understand when he became aware of a man in the window

Brennen--said--   "this man the same man I had saw prior to the president's arrival was in the window and taking aim for his last shot after he fired last or the third shot of he didn't seem to be in a great rush hurry he seemed to pause for a moment to see if for sure he accomplished his purpose and he brought the gun back to a resting upright position as though he was satisfied."

[Bill Chapman]

OK ...Genius....  Did Norman say he heard the shells hitting the floor...A simple yes or no.... 

And IF he did actually hear spent shells hitting the floor ....and he said he heard the bolt being operated ...

Then wouldn't he have heard    Boom...Click ....Plink ...clack ....................Boom  etc ;   

Isn't that true? .....( I hope you say no.... and further display your dishonesty.)....

Boom click-click X 3

Brennan did not say 175 pounds
He said 160 to 170

Stop lying, Wallyburger

@Newbies:

[Walt Cakebread]

Boom click-click X 3

Brennan did not say 175 pounds
He said 160 to 170

Stop lying, Wallyburger

@Newbies:

Brennan did not say 175 pounds
He said 160 to 170

On line 17 of Brennan's affidavit for 11/22/ 63 he described the man....

Quote..."  About 165 to 175 pounds.....He had on light colored clothing, but not a suit" ...unquote.

Lee Oswald weighed 131 pounds.....  He was Skinny.    5'9"......  175 pounds is stocky....    It's unlikely that a skinny 131 pound man would be described as weighing 175 pounds...   

Extract your head Chappie......   

[Oscar Navarro]

Arnie initially said the figure in the west window was about 10-12 feet (or so) back of the window, but later changed that to 3-5 feet or so. This is one reason why the investigators interviewed him often, and checked his backstory thoroughly. Of course these characters see nothing but sinister intent.

And yes, Arnie himself said he pointed out the man to his wife, but by the time see looked the guy was gone from view.

Arnold Rowland is trotted out as if his testimony corroborates any of their kooky claims just as that of Roger Craig. It's all  but it makes for an interesting tale.

[Oscar Navarro]

Mr. BELIN. Could you make that line a little darker, sir, that you have put on. All right. Now, at that first point, this would be--
Mr. BRENNAN. I believe I walked a little south there, just observing them picking the man up.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
You have marked a line on Exhibit No. 478 heading a little bit south on the west side of Houston street, commencing at the southwest corner of the intersection, which is where you say you walked to watch the man with the epileptic fit, is that it?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I didn't go up--he was almost center way of the block here. I didn't go up that far.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
And will you put the letter "H" there, if you would?
Mr. BRENNAN. Where I was standing watching the man?
Mr. BELIN. Where you were standing watching the man; yes.
Mr. BRENNAN. Right there.

Seems to me he says he observed them pick the man up while he was standing. Then he went to sit on the retaining wall. The ambulance did not arrive until about 12.24. (Police transcripts).

Why go with Brennan?s vague time estimate when we have actual timestamps to confirm more accurately. In any event Brennan was clearly focussed on the man with the seizure until he sat on the retaining wall. At that time he starts to observe the surrounding buildings.....TSBD etc. that is the salient point.

And you refuse to respond with an opinion regarding the factual statement posed relating to Williams first day transcript. Seems intentional, why? Fear?

Happy to discuss Norman by the way whenever you are ready.

Fear! of what? I've already provided more than enough material on what I think of BRW testimony so that you can draw your own conclusions. Norman said he went up at 12:15 before his WC testimony. Since you put so much weight on the pre-WC testimony accounts then do so with Normam, or are you scared! Booooohhhooooo!!!!!

[Oscar Navarro]

Who said these witnesses didn't see anything?

You are a sensitive one when challenged. This would be a lot easier if you, with all the witnesses of your choosing, would come up with a time the first shot was fired. If you are certain of your witnesses and their testimony then you should not have a problem coming up with a time of the first shot being fired.

 

I've already told you that the first shots were fired at z157-160. Now figure out the time span between when the Hughes film cuts off and z157-60 and you'll have your answer. I'm not going to work out the math for you since I'm not interested in whatever it is that you're trying to prove.