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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1910 on: June 14, 2018, 01:03:37 PM »
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LMAO

Can't stop yourself can you ?

Continually asking questions that will never prove Studebaker created 142 in order to avoid answering questions that show what a farce your 'theory' is, just wont work.

Quit dodging.

What was in the 3 foot bag Saint Oz took to work ?

What happened to that bag and it's contents ?

Did Ruth have a 3 foot bag in her pantry ?

Time to answer a few questions, man up.

Slow down Mr 60 minutes.

Was the paper bag known as CE 142 placed on a 6th floor map drawn by Studebaker and Hicks on the 22/11/1963 or the 25/11/1963?

Did any TSBD employee see a paper bag known as CE 142 on any floor, Annex, rest room, etc at any time on 22/11/1963?

You have admitted, it wasnt photographed and you are correct.

All speculation and a waste of time Howard:

What was in the 3 foot bag Saint Oz took to work ?

What happened to that bag and it's contents ?

Did Ruth have a 3 foot bag in her pantry ?

My aim is to establish FACTS that we all agree on.

1) No official crime scene in situ photo of the paper bag known as CE 142 anywhere within the TSBD.
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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1911 on: June 14, 2018, 01:22:32 PM »
To recap:

You can't explain the print evidence.

You can't explain what was in the bag Oz took to work.

You can't explain what happened to that bag or it's contents.

You can't explain where Oswald got the 3 foot oblong bag from.

You claim that Studebaker and Day 'didn't do anything wrong' by creating 142 and weren't complicit in a plot to frame Oswald even though they never came forward with that information.

You're not very good at this, Tony.

Well, that's not entirely true.

You're pretty good at asking the same questions over and over, which will never prove that Studebaker created 142, and you're an expert at avoiding answering questions you don't like.

Not good enough.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1912 on: June 14, 2018, 01:26:37 PM »
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Jack,

All Truly had to do was to show either Day or Studebaker where the wrapping room was. None of us know what exactly transpired between Truly, Day and Studebaker on the first floor. To see Day walk out the front door with CE 139 Truly had to be on the first floor. Day came from the first floor with CE 139. The wrapping room was on the first floor.

Truly was not asked anything about furnishing  paper or tape to Day or Studebaker.

It was Studebaker, under the instructions of Day, that obtained the paper and tape NOT Mr Truly. So we do not know where Truly was on the first floor.

Hypothesis still very much intact.



"Hypothesis still very much intact."

No it is not. Drain and Truly provide the answer to your question did Day go straight to City Hall with the rifle or did he stop off at the wrapping room along with Studebaker and create CE 142. The answer is he went straight to City Hall and LHO with his prints on the bag created the bag found in the SN. Truly does not have to be instructed by Day in order to help get the samples and the Drain report clearly indicates he helped.

The amazing thing is you are the one who provided the information by posting and expounding on Drain's recounting of Day's and Truly's actions. Truly clearly helped acquire the tape and paper samples and Truly clearly states the only time he sees the rifle is as it is leaving the building. Never in the wrapping room.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1913 on: June 14, 2018, 01:42:18 PM »
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To recap:

You can't explain the print evidence.

You can't explain what was in the bag Oz took to work.

You can't explain what happened to that bag or it's contents.

You can't explain where Oswald got the 3 foot oblong bag from.

You claim that Studebaker and Day 'didn't do anything wrong' by creating 142 and weren't complicit in a plot to frame Oswald even though they never came forward with that information.

You're not very good at this, Tony.

Well, that's not entirely true.

You're pretty good at asking the same questions over and over, which will never prove that Studebaker created 142, and you're an expert at avoiding answering questions you don't like.

Not good enough.

Since it based on speculation (yours vs mine) it is a waste of time.

You can't explain what was in the bag Oz took to work.

You can't explain what happened to that bag or it's contents.

You can't explain where Oswald got the 3 foot oblong bag from.

You can't explain the print evidence.

Neither can you Howard.

You claim that Studebaker and Day 'didn't do anything wrong' by creating 142 and weren't complicit in a plot to frame Oswald even though they never came forward with that information.

They didn't.

You're pretty good at asking the same questions over and over

Then, why not shock us all and answer the basics surrounding CE 142?

FACTS

No photograph of the paper bag known as CE 142 while inside the TSBD.

No placement of the paper bag known as CE 142 on a map drawn of the 6th floor by Studebaker and Hicks.

No TSBD employee saw a paper bag known as CE 142 on any day anywhere.

Marina and Ruth did not see Lee with a paper bag known as CE 142.

Now Howard, these are two photos (crops) of a paper bag known as CE 142 taken by Allen at ~ 3 pm 22/11/1963 in the hands of Detective Montgomery.



Without relying on speculation, tell me the history of this paper bag from 21 - 22/11/1963 3 pm.


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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1914 on: June 14, 2018, 01:45:44 PM »
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Slow down Mr 60 minutes.

 

All speculation and a waste of time Howard:


What does the Mr 60 minutes name mean ? 

All speculation and a waste of time is an excellent description of your 'theory' !

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1915 on: June 14, 2018, 01:49:08 PM »
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"Hypothesis still very much intact."

No it is not. Drain and Truly provide the answer to your question did Day go straight to City Hall with the rifle or did he stop off at the wrapping room along with Studebaker and create CE 142. The answer is he went straight to City Hall and LHO with his prints on the bag created the bag found in the SN. Truly does not have to be instructed by Day in order to help get the samples and the Drain report clearly indicates he helped.

The amazing thing is you are the one who provided the information by posting and expounding on Drain's recounting of Day's and Truly's actions. Truly clearly helped acquire the tape and paper samples and Truly clearly states the only time he sees the rifle is as it is leaving the building. Never in the wrapping room.

Did you even read Drain's reports?

It was Detective Studebaker who obtained the paper and tape - not Mr Truly. When was Mr Truly asked what he did with Day and Studebaker?

The wrapping room is part of the first floor. Where do you think Mr Truly and Lt. Day were?

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1916 on: June 14, 2018, 01:51:39 PM »
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"Hypothesis still very much intact."

No it is not. Drain and Truly provide the answer to your question did Day go straight to City Hall with the rifle or did he stop off at the wrapping room along with Studebaker and create CE 142. The answer is he went straight to City Hall and LHO with his prints on the bag created the bag found in the SN. Truly does not have to be instructed by Day in order to help get the samples and the Drain report clearly indicates he helped.

The amazing thing is you are the one who provided the information by posting and expounding on Drain's recounting of Day's and Truly's actions. Truly clearly helped acquire the tape and paper samples and Truly clearly states the only time he sees the rifle is as it is leaving the building. Never in the wrapping room.

Of course Truly assisted. Day needed paper to wrap the rifle and Truly told him where to get it. How else did Day know where the paper and tape were?

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1917 on: June 14, 2018, 01:53:14 PM »
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What does the Mr 60 minutes name mean ? 

All speculation and a waste of time is an excellent description of your 'theory' !

All speculation and a waste of time is an excellent description of your 'theory' !

I have given reasons behind my hypothesis.

Now, without speculation, what is the history of that paper bag known as CE 142 prior to it being photographed outside the TSBD?



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« Reply #1918 on: June 14, 2018, 01:56:11 PM »
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Of course Truly assisted. Day needed paper to wrap the rifle and Truly told him where to get it. How else did Day know where the paper and tape were?

I believe that Day took the front stairs and then the NW stairwell to eventually get to the 6th floor meaning he never went into the first floor proper on arrival.

How did he know there was a wrapping room on the first floor with paper and tape?

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« Reply #1919 on: June 14, 2018, 02:25:57 PM »
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You can't explain the print evidence.

Neither can you Howard.


Without relying on speculation, tell me the history of this paper bag from 21 - 22/11/1963 3 pm.

I can explain the print evidence.

The prints on 142 came from Saint Oz's hand having contact with it during construction, handling and carrying.

What was your explanation again ?  Oh yeah, Fritz gave Oswald the bag to handle and press his palm into, during interrogation.

Guess the readers of this thread can decide which explanation is more realistic.
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"Without relying on speculation, tell me the history of this paper bag from 21 - 22/11/1963 3 pm."


No, why don't YOU explain the history of the bag from 11/21/63 - 11/22/63  3pm ?

Remember....no speculating !

LMAO

Kind of ironic to see you advocating against speculation when this entire thread is devoted to speculating that Studebaker created 142.

So let's hear the Fratini version of the history of 142, sans speculation.

Bombastic phony.

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Re: Who constructed CE 142 - Lee Harvey Oswald or a Detective from the DP?
« Reply #1919 on: June 14, 2018, 02:25:57 PM »