Gen. Walker and Supreme Court Decision

[Walt Cakebread]

It is my opinion that he didn't expect to get out alive or that he would be apprehended after shooting JFK. In his mind, since he didn't expect to be shot and killed after he was arrested at the TT it was during the trial that his stature as a political figure of the left would be cemented. I think that's why he was adamant that Abt would represent him.

IMO the walker evidence does not help convict LHO at all
It does point out huge inconsistencies in the WC's version of events

Eddie, photos of the Walker residence dated to weeks before the actual shooting were found in either the Paine's or in the Beckley rooming house. Those photos (or a photo) was traced to his IRC to the exclusion of any other camera. If the case had gone to trial it's possible that the DeMohrenchilds would have been subpoeaned and their encounter with St. Oswald the Patsy about the Walker shooting could have had some value in connecting Oswald to the shooting. Without Marina's testimony though it would have been tough to convict Oswald for the Walker shooting. That I will admit. But for historical purposes where the evidence does not have to pass the rigors of the evidentiary procedures of a trial it's clear that Oswald attempted to murder Walker, IMHO. Where are does inconsistencies in the WR?

Mr Narvarroo...No matter how humble your opinion might be....  It's true value and a buck will get you a cup of coffee at Mc D's

it's clear that Oswald attempted to murder Walker, IMHO.

Really??.... You can know the intent of the shooter simply by examining the physical evidence?...Really?? 

How do you know for a FACT that Walker was even in the room at the time the bullet was fired through the window?....How do you know that Walker himself didn't fire the bullet and then pretend that someone had shot at him?

 

[Walt Cakebread]

But you've said that Lee Oswald murdered JFK so that the name Lee Harvey Oswald would be known all over the globe....You said that he was seeking fame....  But he expected to be killed...And yet he left not a single word or note that he had shot anybody....Nor did he proclaim to the world that he had shot JFK when he was paraded out in front of a mob at midnight...   On the contrary....He steadfastly denied that he had shot anybody

Why in the world would LHO need to leave a note to announce to the world that he had shot JFK when the deed alone would grant him the notoriety he seeked? Isn't that what occurred? Oswald's denials are meaningless considering that what he wanted was the public notoriety now that he found himself in the lucky position of still being alive after shooting a cop and the POTUS. In case it has escaped you Oswald was loaded for bear after leaving the rooming house. He left the rooming house with a loaded revolver and at least nine more bullets in his pocket. He was prepared to fight it out and demonstrated it at the TT. There Oswald claimed police brutality after he attempted to shoot a cop while being apprehended. Do Oswald's shrieks and pleas appear to have a legitimate basis for grievance or isn't it more likely that his cries were for public consumption only?

Psssst...  Oscar,  Lee Oswald was apprehended .....

So on one hand you say He thought he would be killed.... But on the other hand you say he thought he would be apprehended....

Either way...He would have proclaimed his deed, to the world, if he had been the assassin who was seeking fame....

Can you understand how silly your theory is?

Killed or aprehendeed. You can't even follow what you highlight.  BTW, my theory is based on verifiable facts unlike yours, which are baseless assertions.

In case it has escaped you Oswald was loaded for bear after leaving the rooming house. He left the rooming house with a loaded revolver and at least nine more bullets in his pocket.

Would I be asking too much If I asked you to PROVE that Lee had the revolver and the ammo when he left the rooming house?

There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence that he has any ammo in his pockets at the theater.....Because that ammo wasn't even mentioned until over two hours after he was brought in from the Texas Theater....  I'd say somethings a bit fishy about that ammo because he was searched after he was dragged from the theater and no bullets were found on his person....And even the cop who said that "someone" handed him "Oswald's revolver" in the theater didn't know for a fact that Lee had had that revolver on his person....

So the revolver and bullets appeared much later ...  How do you KNOW that Lee carried them from the rooming house?

[Tom Scully]

This post is a result of attempting to verify the details posted on the Ed Forum of a John T Martin, born November 9, 1943 in California, who was old enough to have served in Germany in the 24th I.D. under Gen. Walker's command. I tracked down that John T Martin via his father's 2004 and his older sister's 2018 obits.

He resides in Minnesota, under the name Tim, graduated high school in 1962 and served in the US Navy until 1966, including in the naval blockade of Cuba in late October, and is very patriotic. A newsletter of his neighborhood provided enough detail about him to eliminate him, resulting in further searching
revealing the correct Martin, elusive since Gary drove him to his home in 1968, borrowed his film, and made at least one copy which he could not locate in 2012. This new, radicalized younger fellow, was last accounted for no later than 2013 in a list of alumni donors of his (militarized) high school graduating year.

I've spent some time searching and I found no mention on this forum of the intriguing coincidence of a young man from St. Paul, MN, a 17 year old Minuteman
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=89629&relPageId=60&search=%221752_iglehart%22 ("Chess" is also mentioned in the new Martin's profile)
in summer, 1963, journeying to Gen. Edwin Walker's leased Turtle Creek home, filming a bullet hole through a interior wall, apparently with Gen. Walker's approval or encouragement, travelling to New Orleans shortly thereafter, and managing to also capture Oswald distributing leaflets on the same film reel on August 9, 1963.

There is no way to confirm the Sixth Floor Museum presents the entire film. Martin suspected it was altered, in reaction to re-viewing the original and then only reel after the FBI returned it to him in late January, 1964, after borrowing it in response to his offer to the FBI for a review. NOLA FBI claimed it was not found to be useful.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60411&relPageId=104&search=%221752_iglehart%22

https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/36908/john-t-martin-film

https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2017/01/13/the-oswald-films-an-outline/
2a. The Jack Martin film (August 9, 1963)
...Watch from 0:40 through 1:09 for the General Walker footage, and 2:39 through 2:53 for the Oswald New Orleans footage. ...

In the third week of January, 1963, federal charges resulting from the Sept., 1962 Mississippi race riots against Gen. Walker were dropped but the DOJ retained the option of reinstating the charges until Sept., 1968.
https://www.nytimes.com/1963/01/22/archives/riot-charges-against-walker-and-6-others-dropped-by-us-walker.html?searchResultPosition=2

I have discovered that this young Minnesota film maker, John T Martin, called for the abolition of the U.S. Supreme Court in early 1963. He seems the most proudly radical political extremist I've noticed in a high school setting.

Was his filming, especially in New Orleans on August 9, simply random "luck"? What evidence remains to support that he actually captured on film what I described above? Had he met or been in communication with Gen. Walker, pre-dating making arrangements to visit him? It is unlikely a boy of his age could have performed active duty coinciding with Gen. Walker's pre-retirement.

If John T. Martin (Gary had met him in 1968) had told Gary he served under Gen. Walker in Germany, and consider Gary was recalling, cold, a 40 year old conversation, and Martin's age when Gen. Walker resigned made serving under him unlikely, how likely was his claim of pivoting from right oriented extremist to demilitarized "pacifist"?

Gary was a mid-20s friend of Harold Weisberg and said in 2012 their interest was only about the New Orleans faces on the film, not were yet aware of the Walker visit and bullet hole filming.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/4738-jack-s-martin-sr/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-244473
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From: Gary Schoener

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 7:17 AM

To: Paul Trejo

Subject: Re: Seeking the 1968 companion of Harold Weisberg...

Yes, the person is me. I was a longtime friend and co-worker with Harold. The comment about John Martin being a "student" makes me wonder whether my memory is correct. I remember him as late 20's or early 30's, but that was a long time ago. My memory was that we encountered him when he phone a radio station, not at a talk -- he called into a radio show that Harold and I did together. (I had arranged for Harold to speak a the U. of Minnesota, but believe that the radio show which followed was where we heard from him).

Ironically, on that same show a photography professional whose last name was Patsy called in and he ended up taking the Martin film and printing it out. That's how we discovered that LHO appeared to be paying attention and possibly even gesturing to someone else walking parallel to him. One figure in the film was very fat and Harold immediately remarked it looked like Dean Andrews, although there are a ton of fat people in NO and there was no way that you could see his face.

The only things I recall were that John was formerly a right-winger who was a member of the John Birch Society and the Minutemen, but somehow serving under Gen. Edwin Walker in Germany caused him to become a pacifist and have to be dischrged from the army.

The film was taken on a family trip and the other segment on it showed the zoo in NO.

We did go to his home, but I have no idea where that was. I don't even know if it was in Mpls. or St. Paul.

He took it to the FBI who copied it, but did not realize until we examined it that the FBI had returned a copy, not the original. He believed that what they gave back to him was edited but was not 100% sure. He thought some footage was missing.

Gary Schoener

[Jerry Freeman]

I don't think Oswald had a doggone thing to do with Gen Walker and General Walker didn't either.
Edwin Walker also thought that the Warren Report was a whitewash.

[Walt Cakebread]

I don't think Oswald had a doggone thing to do with Gen Walker and General Walker didn't either.
Edwin Walker also thought that the Warren Report was a whitewash.

Please Explain the reason that Lee had created a false dossier that included photos of Walker's house and the vicinity near Walker's house.

And please explain how Marina knew all about the "attempt" to shoot Walker.    She couldn't have learned about it from Radio or TV because she didn't understand English....Nor could she have learned about the shot through Walker's window from newspaper's ...   

[Tom Scully]

Please Explain the reason that Lee had created a false dossier that included photos of Walker's house and the vicinity near Walker's house.

And please explain how Marina knew all about the "attempt" to shoot Walker.    She couldn't have learned about it from Radio or TV because she didn't understand English....Nor could she have learned about the shot through Walker's window from newspaper's ...   

Bingo! Walt. This "film maker" in summer, 1963, links Gen. Walker to Oswald. His background is opposite extreme of Oswald's patsyfied background.
Was John T. Martin a "back up, Patsy"? Quite busy and character rich background noise, especially for an LN loser. Ed Butler, the radio debate, Osborne/Bowen on the Mexican bus, Another Bowen used as mask for John Cesar Grossi, bro-in-law of Dial Ryder, witness/ temp landlady Mary Bledsoe related to RD Matthews, William Whaley age change, lost military combat award, etc.

A 17 year old, military high school senior and a 24 year old former, USMC defector to USSR. How much controversy could be packed into two "suitcases" as young as Martin and Oswald without blowing up their Walker connections?

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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=89629&relPageId=60&search=%221752_iglehart%22

[Jerry Freeman]

Please Explain the reason that Lee had created a false dossier that included photos of Walker's house and the vicinity near Walker's house.

And please explain how Marina knew all about the "attempt" to shoot Walker.    She couldn't have learned about it from Radio or TV because she didn't understand English....Nor could she have learned about the shot through Walker's window from newspaper's ...   

''Explain the reason that Lee had created a false dossier that included photos of Walker's house and the vicinity near Walker's house''.
How do we really know that Oswald actually did all of that?
" ..explain how Marina knew all about the "attempt" to shoot Walker." 
After the assassination a lot was 'revealed' to Marina. That Oswald owned a rifle...that she took the pictures of him with it...that he planned on killing Nixon...that he tried to kill Walker...that he beat her often...and on and on.
She could play ball or be on the next plane back to Moscow.