Did C.E.P. Destroy The Lives of People Who Shouldn't Even Have Been Suspected?

[Thomas Graves]

I asked Master Eighteen-Degrees Inscrutable:

"Are you bummed that John Newman convinced your beloved Peter Dale Scott last March that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector? Is Newman now part of The Deep State in your "book" because of that?"

.......

Master Eighteen-Degrees Inscrutable replied:

"Professor Scott is having a birthday on Friday. He is more lucid and functional than my elderly father, in his 90s,
but can he still be regarded as competent?"

.......

Here are my next two questions for Master Eighteen-Degrees Inscrutable:

Dear Master Eighteen-Degrees Inscrutable,

Does that mean you disagree with Professor John M. Newman's assessment that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector?

If so, why?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy

PS  If you quote anything from John Hart's "Monster Plot" article, I will pick it apart, piece-by-rancid-piece.

Ditto anything by Leonard McCoy, John Scelso, or Cleveland Cram.

Oleg Kalugin and Oleg Gordievsky? They were either intentionally misinformed about Nosenko by the KGB, or they're outright disinfo agents.

Jefferson Morley? David Wise? Tommy Mangold?

Don't  make me laugh.

Edited and bumped for Master Eighteen-Degrees Inscrutable

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

[Tom Scully]

codge, with all due respect, who do you think fed Suzy or Morley what they reported?

Nosenko fooled some of the Langley folks and Bagley fooled all of the Langley folks except Petty.
The former Langley officers who paid Nosenko a visit late in life were better informed than I am
or can attempt to be. Maybe their recognition of Nosenko's "contribution" to U.S. counterintel was a
ruse. I am not smarter than the mirrors in that house of theirs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/08/16/foul-traitor-new-jfk-assassination-records-reveal-kgb-defectors-three-year-interrogation/?utm_term=.5d91b49529dd
?Foul traitor?: New JFK assassination records reveal KGB defector?s 3-year interrogation
By Ian Shapira August 16, 2017
.....In the end, the CIA did its best to honor him. In July 2008, several CIA officials visited him and gave him a ceremonial flag and a letter from then-agency Director Michael Hayden, thanking him for his service. The next month, Nosenko died. He was 81.

Suzy Says
DeMohrenschildt Mystery
By Suzy Knickerbocker
4/16/77 DMN

....De Mohrenschildt is constantly referred to as a mystery man and reputed member of Russian nobility.
He was neither.....In fact, this self-proclaimed society-hater, a geologist who insisted he was most comfortable amongst
intellectuals spent a lot of time hanging around the Racquet Club, the exclusive New York male
stronghold with Edward Hooker (the son of his stepaunt, the Countess Dimitri de Mohrenschildt)
and such sound social chaps as Staley Tregellas and Jake Cogswell.....
...According to family and friends DeMohrenschildt was undoubtedly a CIA stringer and periodically
made unexplained trips abroad. His Socially Registered confidant Jake Cogswell, another CIA
stringer, who established residence in Cuba before Castro. He barely made it out before the ax fell.

[Thomas Graves]

Old Codger, who do you think fed Suzy or Morley what they reported?

I have no idea, Master Eighteen-Points Inscrutable.

Joseph Stalin from the grave?

James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio?

Michael "Gas-X" Clark?

Nosenko fooled some of the Langley folks ...

Yeah.  Richard "Possible Mole" Kovich, Leonard McCoy, John Hart, George "Possible Mole" Kisevalter, William Colby, ...

... and Bagley fooled all of the Langley folks except Petty.

How so? In correctly claiming that Nosenko was a false defector, or in somehow "hiding" the "fact" that he (Bagley) was a "mole," Master Eighteen-Points Inscrutable?  LOL

.......

Regardless, your beloved Peter Dale Scott's mind was working beautifully last March when he "got" that GRU colonel Pyotr Popov was betrayed to the KGB in early 1957 by his former dead-drop handler in Moscow, honey-trapped traitor Edward Ellis Smith, and he "got it" (with a big smile on his face and a look of wonderment in his eyes) when John Newman explained the great lengths KGB had gone to to protect Smith after that, including letting Popov continue to give valuable information to CIA for a year after he was (unbeknownst to him) uncovered, and how the KGB secretly arrested Popov in Moscow in November 1958 and "tripled" him in order to feed the CIA some Edward Ellis Smith-obfuscating/deflecting information before they finally arrested him (Popov) publicly a year later in October 1959, "tried" him, and executed him.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

PS  I mean, my God, man, haven't you watched John Newman's two-part "Spy Wars" presentation on youtube (from last March in San Francisco)? Why don't you watch it and judge for yourself the state of Dr. Scott's mind, based on his reaction I described, above, and on the quality of the questions he asked and the statements he made near the end of Part II (while James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio was undoubtedly still picking his nose on the other side of the table).

Caveat: I disagree, of course, with most everything PDS says at the end of Newman's presentation, and I believe he does make one factual error about what was said during "the Tuesday call"  -- see if you can catch it.

Part II

[Thomas Graves]

Dear Master Eighteen-Points Inscrutable,

Please just ... spit it out.

I mean, I mean, I mean ...you've been composing that "Beautiful Mind" collage of yours for about two hours now!

The whole world is waiting, Mast.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

PS  Got enough string, rubber bands, and scotch tape to "connect" everything?

[Thomas Graves]

Where-oh-where did Master-Inscrutable go?

The last time I checked (about eight hours ago) he was ... gasp ... still still still still ...

"Posting on Did C.E.P. Destroy The Lives Of People Who Shouldn't Even Have Been Suspected?"

(Did he decide that discretion really is the better part of valor?)

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy