USPS workers screwing things up i.e..LHO receiving c2766

[Richard Smith]

I have noticed that some CTers don't believe Oswald could have picked up C2766 from the USPS because it would have violated certain postal regulations or would have left a paper trail. I'm not familiar with postal regulations back then or now but I'm very familiar with postal workers screwing up in one way or another. Same goes for UPS, Federal Express so I'm not trying to just pick on the USPS. In fact, there have been times when dealing with government agencies at all levels and the private sector that orders and transactions have been botched and, I must confess, that includes me.


To illustrate one incident of major screwup by the USPS here is quoted text from a legal case involving the theft of Postal Money Orders and negligence by two postal clerks.


The point of the post is.... Why assign to malice when stupidity and carelessness can explain the event.

Oswald ordered a rifle and it was sent to his PO Box.  All he had to do was take the slip placed in his box to a clerk who handed him his package.  CTers have argued it couldn't be delivered because the Hidell name was not listed on his PO authorization form.  But that form was lost and Oswald did list Hidell on his NO PO box form.  If CTers were correct, however, then the logical next sequence in this pedantic interpretation of post office procedure would have been for the rifle to be returned to Klein's.  It was not.  CTers could care less about the implications of their theories due to an inability or unwillingness to apply logic to any event that results in an outcome they don't like.  If by asserting that A did not happen, it must result in B occurring, then the absence of B occurring undermines the original claim.  Klein's sent a rifle to Oswald's PO Box.  It can't be accounted for in any way except as being received by Oswald.  If post office procedures had precluded delivery, it would have been sent back.  It was not.  If there were any doubt, there are pictures of Oswald holding the rifle, his prints are on the rifle sent to his PO box (same serial #) etc.   And when all is said and done, if there had been some document Oswald signed or clerk who could remember giving him the rifle, CTers would claim they were lying or forged.  The game never ends when any evidence of Oswald's guilt is suspect for that reason alone.  We would just add a postal clerk's name to all the others who lied to frame Oswald.

[Bill Chapman]

Oswald ordered a rifle and it was sent to his PO Box.  All he had to do was take the slip placed in his box to a clerk who handed him his package.  CTers have argued it couldn't be delivered because the Hidell name was not listed on his PO authorization form.  But that form was lost and Oswald did list Hidell on his NO PO box form.  If CTers were correct, however, then the logical next sequence in this pedantic interpretation of post office procedure would have been for the rifle to be returned to Klein's.  It was not.  CTers could care less about the implications of their theories due to an inability or unwillingness to apply logic to any event that results in an outcome they don't like.  If by asserting that A did not happen, it must result in B occurring, then the absence of B occurring undermines the original claim.  Klein's sent a rifle to Oswald's PO Box.  It can't be accounted for in any way except as being received by Oswald.  If post office procedures had precluded delivery, it would have been sent back.  It was not.  If there were any doubt, there are pictures of Oswald holding the rifle, his prints are on the rifle sent to his PO box (same serial #) etc.   And when all is said and done, if there had been some document Oswald signed or clerk who could remember giving him the rifle, CTers would claim they were lying or forged.  The game never ends when any evidence of Oswald's guilt is suspect for that reason alone.  We would just add a postal clerk's name to all the others who lied to frame Oswald.

These sociopathic gaslighters can spew any crap they want, but the fact remains that Oswald was the only man on the face of the earth that was identified as being at both murder scenes.

And to further confirm their marginalization to the far shores of the lunatic fringe, no one can prove that anyone other than the prime suspect knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

[Oscar Navarro]

Oswald ordered a rifle and it was sent to his PO Box.  All he had to do was take the slip placed in his box to a clerk who handed him his package.  CTers have argued it couldn't be delivered because the Hidell name was not listed on his PO authorization form.  But that form was lost and Oswald did list Hidell on his NO PO box form.  If CTers were correct, however, then the logical next sequence in this pedantic interpretation of post office procedure would have been for the rifle to be returned to Klein's.  It was not.  CTers could care less about the implications of their theories due to an inability or unwillingness to apply logic to any event that results in an outcome they don't like.  If by asserting that A did not happen, it must result in B occurring, then the absence of B occurring undermines the original claim.  Klein's sent a rifle to Oswald's PO Box.  It can't be accounted for in any way except as being received by Oswald.  If post office procedures had precluded delivery, it would have been sent back.  It was not.  If there were any doubt, there are pictures of Oswald holding the rifle, his prints are on the rifle sent to his PO box (same serial #) etc.   And when all is said and done, if there had been some document Oswald signed or clerk who could remember giving him the rifle, CTers would claim they were lying or forged.  The game never ends when any evidence of Oswald's guilt is suspect for that reason alone.  We would just add a postal clerk's name to all the others who lied to frame Oswald.

Yep, I know. They're the official Oswald Hair Splitter Defense Club. They all carry a photo of Oswald with a halo. I just thought that if there's someone who is on the fence on this subject that PO clerks are prone to screw up just as all other normal human beings on the planet.

[Oscar Navarro]

Ruth Paine was working for the FBI....Hoover didn't know that  Lee had been sent to Russia by ONI. Hoover thought that Lee really was a turncoat Marine, and he hated him.    When the Oswald's moved from Russia to Texas, Hoover wanted to keep an eye on them because he thought they were communist spies.   ( Hoover preached that one way to spot a communist is by listening to a suspected commie, and if he espoused Russia over the U.S. then he was a commie. Which is a gross oversimplification )   Lee most certainly had denounced the US , because he would never have been allowed to stay in Russia if he praised life in the US, and he had a mission to fulfill...Thus, he was a commie in Hoover's eyes.   

Since Hoover suspected the Oswald's of being Russian spies, he assigned Ruth Paine to keep tabs on them.   ( she admitted that she was spying on Lee, and called FBI agent Hosty to come and pick up a letter that she had stolen from Lee Oswald.)

I thought Ruth Paine worked for the CIA?

[Oscar Navarro]

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

By claiming that Oswald could have picked up a package addressed to Hidell, due to postal workers screwing up, aren't you also implicitly saying that anybody else could have picked up that same package as well?

Not just anybody but someone that had the key to the PO box and who picked up the form that let's Hidell know he has a package to pick up. In other words, Oswald.

[Martin Weidmann]

Not just anybody but someone that had the key to the PO box and who picked up the form that let's Hidell know he has a package to pick up. In other words, Oswald.

So getting a duplicate key for a PO box is not possible?

[Steve Howsley]

So getting a duplicate key for a PO box is not possible?

What a desperate suggestion. Here's another; maybe the paper slip was placed in the wrong box and John Doe collected the package. Still odd though that the rifle ended up at the TSBD.