Corroboration of Assassination films

[Michael Walton]

        Z frame(s) might have been removed due to their revealing a 4th shot striking the street, curb, grass, etc. This evidence of another shot having been fired would Prove at least 1 additional shooter = Conspiracy.  The filming of the JFK Limo as it turned onto and proceeded down Elm St would have revealed the Records Bld at that point in time. Also, remember the shallow bullet hole in the back of JFK. The shallow depth of this wound would be indicative of either a deflected bullet, fragment, and or a shot fired from more of a Horizontal Position vs the Height of the TSBD 6th floor. Again, this would Prove at least 1 additional shooter.

In this day and age of 20 megapixel cameras, you'd never be able to see something like that in a 8mm 1960's era film, Royell. Watch the Z film and note that yes, you can recognize the people in the car, but hardly. The size of an 8mm frame of film is the size of your pinky nail. Do you really think that a spark or a puff of crushed concrete from a ricochet would be noticed?

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.

Think about it - if there was an honest and vigorous pursuit of the truth in this case by all involved, the media would have shown the film coast to coast the minute they'd have been able to and then let the chips fall where they may. But as we all know, that's not what happened.

[Royell Storing]

In this day and age of 20 megapixel cameras, you'd never be able to see something like that in a 8mm 1960's era film, Royell. Watch the Z film and note that yes, you can recognize the people in the car, but hardly. The size of an 8mm frame of film is the size of your pinky nail. Do you really think that a spark or a puff of crushed concrete from a ricochet would be noticed?

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.

Think about it - if there was an honest and vigorous pursuit of the truth in this case by all involved, the media would have shown the film coast to coast the minute they'd have been able to and then let the chips fall where they may. But as we all know, that's not what happened.

    I do Not know what you are viewing the Current Z Film through. If you can see the Glint of the Sun off of numerous objects all around Dealey Plaza, there is a better than good chance you would also see the result of a Bullet or a Fragment striking/bouncing off the street, curb, etc. The Image reproduction in this case continues to improve as does the means by which arm chair investigators can view these images at home.
    You and I agree on many aspects of this case

[Jack Trojan]

But for argument's sake, let's say that in Z for example, some frames were removed.  What exactly was removed...in other words, what was so dastardly that some frames needed to be removed? No one for the past 55 years has ever been able to answer this question.

This question has been answered years ago. If frames were removed it was to speed up the limo. The question no LNer has been able to answer is why Greer slowed down the limo to a near stop at Z313, the Turkey Shoot Point, after he knew shots had been fired? Where is that rule in the SS handbook?

[Steve Logan]

This question has been answered years ago. If frames were removed it was to speed up the limo. The question no LNer has been able to answer is why Greer slowed down the limo to a near stop at Z313, the Turkey Shoot Point, after he knew shots had been fired? Where is that rule in the SS handbook?

Dear Doctor Daffy,
He took his foot off the accelerator while the limo was in low gear when he turned around to look at the commotion in the back seat. Stop adding foolish conspiracy crap to something so simple. Jesus Christ you friggin wackos just love to hatch these stupid-ass theories. The guy was inept at his duties simple as that.

[Bill Chapman]

This question has been answered years ago. If frames were removed it was to speed up the limo. The question no LNer has been able to answer is why Greer slowed down the limo to a near stop at Z313, the Turkey Shoot Point, after he knew shots had been fired? Where is that rule in the SS handbook?

Would you get involved in a plot that required you to drive the car that was about to be fired upon?

THINK, man.

[Royell Storing]

Would you get involved in a plot that required you to drive the car that was about to be fired upon?

THINK, man.

    Yeah. That's as crazy as believing someone would get involved in a plot that required: (1) You Smuggle Your Rifle into Your place of employment, (2) You Shoot the POTUS using Your Rifle, and (3) You Leave Your Rifle behind and Flee Your place of employment.   

 

[Oscar Navarro]

In this day and age of 20 megapixel cameras, you'd never be able to see something like that in a 8mm 1960's era film, Royell. Watch the Z film and note that yes, you can recognize the people in the car, but hardly. The size of an 8mm frame of film is the size of your pinky nail. Do you really think that a spark or a puff of crushed concrete from a ricochet would be noticed?

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.

Think about it - if there was an honest and vigorous pursuit of the truth in this case by all involved, the media would have shown the film coast to coast the minute they'd have been able to and then let the chips fall where they may. But as we all know, that's not what happened.

Of course not. What many "researchers" fail to understand is that the unaltered "as it happened" Z film *proves* conspiracy.  There is no way Oswald would have been able to get the shots they said he pulled off using a piece of junk rifle in 5.8 seconds. Which is why the film was suppressed from the public until 1975 and it's also why Dan Rather - a reporter who's supposed to tell it like it is - lied to the public on Sunday night 11/25 "describing" what he say in the film.



"They" being the Warren Commission, I suppose. If that's the case here's what the conclusion the WC arrived at as to time span of shots


"Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and it's occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds".


The only reason to come up with the time sapn of from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds was if the second shot had missed with the first shot hitting both JFK and Connally between frames 210 and 225 and the third shot the obvious hit to JFK's head at frame 313. So the alleged 5.8 seconds that's supposed to be set in stone isn't, wasn't and has never been except only in the minds of ignorant CTers.

In 1967 CBS showed a special on the Warren Commission Report and arrived at the conclusion that time span of shots could have reached over 8 seconds by using Luis Alvarez jiggle effect theory and a test done with 5 identical Bell and Howell cameras like that used by Zapruder which demonstrated that 18.3 fps was faster than the average of the fps of the five cameras.