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Online Brian Doyle

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« Reply #140 on: October 11, 2018, 08:38:07 PM »
Bronson came close to capturing Gloria Calvery because you can see Ernest Brandt and there are a couple of people right of him that are too blurry to make out...One of them has to be Calvery according to their position...

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« Reply #141 on: October 11, 2018, 10:03:58 PM »
You don't even need the windows
 the edge of the white column lines up with the the Limo hood ornament.



You don't even need the windows the edge of the white column lines up with the the Limo hood ornament.

The hood ornament is NOT a stationary point of reference.....it is a movable object.  The TSBD and the concrete pylon are fixed points of reference. Since we know that the center of the third set of windows on the second floor of the TSBD aligns with the southwest corner of the concrete pylon, then we can scribe a line from the center of the window through the corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass. The hood ornament of the lincoln was on that line when Altgens snapped the photo... and obviously Altgens camera was also on that line.   
   

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« Reply #142 on: October 11, 2018, 10:11:57 PM »
I'm not sure what rule I've broken....   What do you mean ..."space between line rules?"
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« Reply #143 on: October 11, 2018, 10:19:47 PM »
You can see Gloria Calvery in that Bronson frame Unger posted...Her green plaid skirt is visible and all you see above it is a dark area...

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« Reply #144 on: October 12, 2018, 01:10:05 AM »
You don't even need the windows the edge of the white column lines up with the the Limo hood ornament.

The hood ornament is NOT a stationary point of reference.....it is a movable object.  The TSBD and the concrete pylon are fixed points of reference. Since we know that the center of the third set of windows on the second floor of the TSBD aligns with the southwest corner of the concrete pylon, then we can scribe a line from the center of the window through the corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass. The hood ornament of the lincoln was on that line when Altgens snapped the photo... and obviously Altgens camera was also on that line.   
   

The lamppost can also be used to verify the LOS over the top of the concrete pylon.    The anchor point for the line that passes through the street light  is right edge (east)of the fourth window ......
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« Reply #145 on: October 12, 2018, 04:34:53 AM »
     Let's get Real here and just Look at the photo. How on Earth would this Altgens photo capture the Large, LOW Headlight in the center of Chaney's motorcycle if he were positioned at the (R) rear of the JFK Limo, or alongside the Queen Mary?  The further Back you move Chaney, the More the view of his motorcycle is  obstructed by the JFK Limo, the people inside it, the Queen Mary, and the SS Agents Standing on its' (R) Running Board. The visibility of that Large, LOW, Headlight  completely destroys Chaney being physically positioned elsewhere. Slam Dunk.  This also explains why this photo is usually Cropped on the Chaney Headlight side of the Photo.
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« Reply #146 on: October 12, 2018, 05:08:24 AM »
     Let's get Real here and just Look at the photo. How on Earth would this Altgens photo capture the Large, LOW Headlight in the center of Chaney's motorcycle if he were positioned at the (R) rear of the JFK Limo, or alongside the Queen Mary?  The further Back you move Chaney, the More the view of his motorcycle is  obstructed by the JFK Limo, the people inside it, the Queen Mary, and the SS Agents Standing on its' (R) Running Board. The visibility of that Large, LOW, Headlight  completely destroys Chaney being physically positioned elsewhere. Slam Dunk.  This also explains why this photo is usually Cropped on the Chaney Headlight side of the Photo.

Not if it moves back and to the left, along the LOS lines shown. That's what LOS means isn't it?

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« Reply #147 on: October 12, 2018, 12:49:10 PM »
     Let's get Real here and just Look at the photo. How on Earth would this Altgens photo capture the Large, LOW Headlight in the center of Chaney's motorcycle if he were positioned at the (R) rear of the JFK Limo, or alongside the Queen Mary?  The further Back you move Chaney, the More the view of his motorcycle is  obstructed by the JFK Limo, the people inside it, the Queen Mary, and the SS Agents Standing on its' (R) Running Board. The visibility of that Large, LOW, Headlight  completely destroys Chaney being physically positioned elsewhere. Slam Dunk.  This also explains why this photo is usually Cropped on the Chaney Headlight side of the Photo.

Excellent point Royell.....AND Chaney's reflection would not be seen on the hood of the Lincoln if he were back near the QM.



Robin, Thank you for posting this nice clear copy of Altgen's # 6
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« Reply #148 on: October 12, 2018, 12:53:49 PM »
Comparison view of the motorcycles.



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« Reply #149 on: October 12, 2018, 01:22:56 PM »
Comparison view of the motorcycles.



Thanks for your input, Ray....  Perhaps we can finally destroy the nonsense about Chaney being back by the QM  when the photo was snapped....

The photo casts serious doubt about the authenticity of the Z-Film, and that's why the WC apologists (aka LNers) are soilin their skivvies..

The photo also shows that the Lincoln would have been obscured beneath the tree at the time of the shot that JFK is reacting to.

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