Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242

[Royell Storing]

Zapruder frame Z-242 appears to show Chaney's left red flashing light on
his motorcycle.
Jerry Logan first pointed this out to me.

It confirms Chaney's motorcycle position in relation to the SS follow up car and Hargis and Martin.
there has been some debate on the forums regarding Chaney's "actual position on Elm st", as seen in Altgens 6 at Zapruder frame z255 (12-frames after Z-242)

Zapruder frame Z-242 shows Chaney's LEFT side red flashing light, i have done a small GIF to demonstrate it.



Z-242 Frame over Altgens 6  shows the position of the red flashing light seen in the Zapruder frame in relation to the red flashing light seen on Chaney's motorcycle

    At Z-233 you can begin to see the Reflection of the Chaney Motorcycle light/fender on the Passenger Side of the JFK Limo. This would trump the current Speculation surrounding the motorcycle position on Z-242 = being way back beside the Queen Mary. 

[Mark Ulrik]

Thanks Mark, i agree with your graphic depicting Chaneys motorcycle position, 

Thanks Robin! You've always been one of the most sensible posters here

I guess it's lens distortion that makes the shadows seem to point more forward than they actually do.

[Walt Cakebread]

Thanks Robin! You've always been one of the most sensible posters here

I guess it's lens distortion that makes the shadows seem to point more forward than they actually do.

"I guess it's lens distortion that makes the shadows seem to point more forward than they actually do."


Notice that the shadow of the front upper tip of the Lincoln's right front fender is clearly visible on the surface of Elm street. ( the shadow of the staff of the American flag is to the rear of the shadow of the fender corner. )  Draw a line from that fender corner shadow up to and through the corner of the fender .

Now notice the shadow that is being cast on the surface of Elm street just beyond the left side of the Lincoln's front bumper.....  and draw a line from that shadow that parallels the line you drew previously....

Does that line pass through the left side of the windshield of Chaney's bike?   Yes?....  Then it is the Windshield that is casting that shadow and it should be obvious that Chaney is ALONGSIDE of the Lincoln.   

[Walt Cakebread]

The Muchmre film shows us Chaneys motorcycle position is the same as we see in frame Z-206

The Altgen's photo shows that Chaney was ALONGSIDE the Lincoln when JFK was first struck....


Notice that the shadow of the front upper tip of the Lincoln's right front fender is clearly visible on the surface of Elm street. ( the shadow of the staff of the American flag is to the rear of the shadow of the fender corner. )  Draw a line from that fender corner shadow up to and through the corner of the fender .

Now notice the shadow that is being cast on the surface of Elm street just beyond the left side of the Lincoln's front bumper.....  and draw a line from that shadow that parallels the line you drew previously....

Does that line pass through the left side of the windshield of Chaney's bike?   Yes?....  Then it is the Windshield that is casting that shadow and it should be obvious that Chaney is ALONGSIDE of the Lincoln.

[Steve Barber]

  Walt Cakebread...Look at where Officer Chaney is located in the Bronson still photograph, then look at Officer Chaney's position in the first frame of his film showing Officer Chaney's position.  Note that in both the still(which corresponds circa Z 231) and the film, Chaney is BEHIND the limousine, not beside it. Frames 242 adds further proof that Officer Chaney was not beside the limousine, but behind it and he is looking over his shoulder not at JFK, but perhaps at Hargis and Martin to see their reaction to what he heard?  There is only a tiny gap of time between Z 242 and the first film frame exposed in Bronson's film.  You have no proof to offer that Chaney is "beside" the limousine except your misinterpretation of the Altgens photograph.

  http://emuseum.jfk.org/view/objects/asitem/classification@Films/3/title-asc;jsessionid=9AF64B579842B4F3335D3ECA4F6E8A11?t:state:flow=69e485c6-a2a4-40bb-b813-2b17b2479c8b

 

[Royell Storing]

The Muchmre film shows us Chaneys motorcycle position is the same as we see in frame Z-206

     Obviously, we are seeing Chaney's motorcycle slowing down & possibly coming to a STOP vs the JFK Limo and the Queen Mary Accelerating. Judging the position of the Chaney motorcycle during this sequence of film footage is ludicrous. I believe Officer Chaney Suddenly looking UP at the Picket Fence area is both startling and revealing. Here there are shots being fired, Chaney saw the POTUS's head explode, and he Suddenly does a head jerk AWAY from all of this and looks UP toward the Picket Fence area.

[Walt Cakebread]

  Wlat Cakebread...Look at where Officer Chaney is located in the Bronson still photograph, then look at Officer Chaney's position in the first frame of his film showing Officer Chaney's position.  Note that in both the still(which corresponds circa Z 231) and the film, Chaney is BEHIND the limousine, not beside it. Frames 242 adds further proof that Officer Chaney was not beside the limousine, but behind it and he is looking over his shoulder not at JFK, but perhaps at Hargis and Martin to see their reaction to what he heard?  There is only a tiny gap of time between Z 242 and the first film frame exposed in Bronson's film.  You have no proof to offer that Chaney is "beside" the limousine except your misinterpretation of the Altgens photograph.

  http://emuseum.jfk.org/view/objects/asitem/classification@Films/3/title-asc;jsessionid=9AF64B579842B4F3335D3ECA4F6E8A11?t:state:flow=69e485c6-a2a4-40bb-b813-2b17b2479c8b

Mr Barber....Are you not smart enough to perform the simple instructions that I posted?     I'm referring to the Altgens photo that Mark Ulrik posted....   The sun angles speak the truth....

Question...  Is there any doubt that the Altgens photo has NOT been altered or tampered with?   ( The altgens photo appeared in newspapers that evening so there was NO  to time to alter the photo.... 

Can the same be said for the Z film?  How many years passed by before the public go a glimpse of it??   Was there sufficient time to alter the Z film??