Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242

[Walt Cakebread]

      Walt - The "hands" issue is a diversion. You got 'em on the run with the Officer Chaney position issue. As much as they might like, don't take their detour.

Royell...You can be sure they are soilin their skivies when Craig Lamson sends me messages like this....

The message Mr Lamson sent you was:

So sad.  You are too stupid to even understand how a camera records an image. 

You are a moron.

Take the standard railroad tracks image.  The tracks are the same distance apart.  Yet as the recede towards the distance the appear toget close set together.

The exact same  things happpen to shadows.  It?s photo 101 and you fail.

The shadows don?t lie, you just can?t hear them telling you that you got it wrong.  As usual.


How about someone else informing  Mr Lamson that he's talking about perspective but perspective has ZIP effect  in the case of the shadows of the corner of the Lincoln fender and the shadow of the windshield of Chaney's motorcycle....

[Mark Ulrik]

Notice that the shadow of the front upper tip of the Lincoln's right front fender is clearly visible on the surface of Elm street. ( the shadow of the staff of the American flag is to the rear of the shadow of the fender corner. )  Draw a line from that fender corner shadow up to and through the corner of the fender .

Now notice the shadow that is being cast on the surface of Elm street just beyond the left side of the Lincoln's front bumper.....  and draw a line from that shadow that parallels the line you drew previously....

Does that line pass through the left side of the windshield of Chaney's bike?   Yes?....  Then it is the Windshield that is casting that shadow and it should be obvious that Chaney is ALONGSIDE of the Lincoln.

Hi Walt. Did you notice the X marking the tip of the motorcycle shadow? (I added a question mark on the diagram to the right because of the uncertainties involved.) Where on the diagram would you place the X? You seem to think it's much closer to the front bumper shadow (A) than it is to the curb (B) in the background, but does it really seem so when you look at the photo?

[Walt Cakebread]

Hi Walt. Did you notice the X marking the tip of the motorcycle shadow? (I added a question mark on the diagram to the right because of the uncertainties involved.) Where on the diagram would you place the X? You seem to think it's much closer to the front bumper shadow (A) than it is to the curb (B) in the background, but does it really seem so when you look at the photo?

Hi Mark...The Lincoln was / is.....21 ' 2 " long   by  6' 3" wide....

Based on this known dimension of 6' 3" .....Elm street would be about 38 feet wide ....IOW the street is wide enough for  SIX Lincolns side by side.....

The point being....  I doubt that the street was wide enough for six Lincolns.....So are you sure that your drawing is scaled correctly?  And I don't believe you've laid the red A / B  line at the correct angle....( acctually I don't know how you established that angle for the red line???

The SE corner of the TSBD can be seen behind Chaney's helmet, so It's not difficult to establish his position on Elm Street. 

[Steve Logan]

Hi Mark...The Lincoln was / is.....21 ' 2 " long   by  6' 3" wide....

Based on this known dimension of 6' 3" .....Elm street would be about 38 feet wide ....IOW the street is wide enough for  SIX Lincolns side by side.....

The point being....  I doubt that the street was wide enough for six Lincolns.....So are you sure that your drawing is scaled correctly?  And I don't believe you've laid the red A / B  line at the correct angle....( acctually I don't know how you established that angle for the red line???

The SE corner of the TSBD can be seen behind Chaney's helmet, so It's not difficult to establish his position on Elm Street.

The SE corner of the TSBD can be seen behind Chaney's helmet, so It's not difficult to establish his position on Elm Street.

Really? Clean your glasses.

[Mark Ulrik]

Hi Mark...The Lincoln was / is.....21 ' 2 " long   by  6' 3" wide....

Based on this known dimension of 6' 3" .....Elm street would be about 38 feet wide ....IOW the street is wide enough for  SIX Lincolns side by side.....

[Walt Cakebread]

I was mistaken....and in error .....The SE corner of the TSBD is not behind Chaney's helmet.....

How did you establish the angle for the red line, from the right front corner of the Lincoln to the point on the north curb of Elm street?

Using the photo and shadow of the right side of the Lincoln as base .......the red line is at about 162 110 degrees , but on your drawing the red line is at about 110 162 degrees in reference to the side of the Lincoln.   

[Walt Cakebread]

The SE corner of the TSBD can be seen behind Chaney's helmet, so It's not difficult to establish his position on Elm Street.

Really? Clean your glasses.

Sorry...My mistake.....