In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?

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Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?
« Reply #98 on: September 19, 2018, 08:18:10 PM »
Isn't every "I don't believe conspirators would have done that" / "I don't believe Oswald would have done that" argument a personal incredulity fallacy though?

Yes, but its when people don't recognise that that it becomes a problem. This leads to people thinking what they are saying is a fact, which then leads to arguments, insults and pointless discussions. Its fine to express an opinion but to claim that as fact and defend it isn't valid.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?
« Reply #99 on: September 19, 2018, 08:18:51 PM »
So a Carcano round fired into pavement will bury itself as if the asphalt were rubber? The Haggs found that the bullet disintegrated.

Is there some evidence that there was ever a crater in the asphalt on Elm street?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?
« Reply #100 on: September 19, 2018, 08:22:34 PM »
I have no idea, Bill. Guess it would depend on varying factors, such as the amount and density of the cotton or whatever substance that's being fired into.

My point is that the varying factors would be unknown by CottonMan, going in.
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Offline Howard Gee

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Re: In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?
« Reply #101 on: September 19, 2018, 08:27:49 PM »
My point is that the varying factors would be unknown by CottonMan conspirators, going in.

Oviously, the conspirators would have at least a dozen or so bullets waiting to be planted, ranging from nearly pristine to extremely mangled.  :)   

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Re: In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2018, 08:43:35 PM »
Fantasy strawman conspirators aside, is there any evidence that CE 399 was the bullet found at Parkland or that CE 399 ever went through Kennedy or Connally?

Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?
« Reply #103 on: September 20, 2018, 03:22:32 AM »
Depends. The bullet struck a glancing blow along the rib. Was it tumbling or slowed down. A bullet that stuck a rib nose-on at full-velocity is not what happened to Connally according to the WCR. It's instead what some critics claim happened.

If you mean the 2013 PBS Special "Cold Case JFK", the Haggs are merely career ballistics-experts, absentmindedly conducting meaningless tests using the exact same type of rifle and ammunition that the WC said Oswald used.

So a Carcano round fired into pavement will bury itself as if the asphalt were rubber? The Haggs found that the bullet disintegrated.

A M-C bullet hitting hard tissue (like the thick skull bone) nose-on would have a different outcome than the same type of M-C bullet passing through soft tissue and then hitting a thin bone (like the fifth rib) after supposedly being slowed down and tumbling.

Rather than going Rube Goldberg, maybe watch the 2013 PBS Special to learn from the Haggs.
I finally found a youtube location for the 1988 Nova Film! It is well hidden amongst all the threads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oHAbCu_LbM

I couldn't imagine the damage a tumbling bullet must have done when the above documentary suggested the pulverized rib (20:20)was removed from Connally's body.  If the bullet was tumbling as suggested,  then there should not have been any problem extracting this low velocity projectile from Connally's thigh!  Instead it disintegrated or become the pristine bullet found near a nearby stretcher (17:38) and passed to a forensic lab through 5 different people!

With respect to the bullet that hit the pavement, did they take pictures of the crater it made?  How were we made to believe that it existed? By eyewitness testimony only? Or picture as well?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: In 54 years has anyone ever admitted to manufacturing or planting evidence?
« Reply #104 on: September 21, 2018, 12:59:35 AM »
I finally found a youtube location for the 1988 Nova Film! It is well hidden amongst all the threads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oHAbCu_LbM

I couldn't imagine the damage a tumbling bullet must have done when the above documentary suggested the pulverized rib (20:20)was removed from Connally's body.  If the bullet was tumbling as suggested,  then there should not have been any problem extracting this low velocity projectile from Connally's thigh!  Instead it disintegrated or become the pristine bullet found near a nearby stretcher (17:38) and passed to a forensic lab through 5 different people!

With respect to the bullet that hit the pavement, did they take pictures of the crater it made?  How were we made to believe that it existed? By eyewitness testimony only? Or picture as well?

I tried to watch the video being narrated by LBJ's buddy Uncle Walter Cronkite....  But I couldn't handle the lies being told ......