I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)

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Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)
« Reply #203 on: November 02, 2018, 10:01:54 PM »
Wrong. The best evidence was, and always will be, the body and that didn't agree with the extant autopsy X-rays and photographs.

Your comments about doctors and nurses trained in gunshot wounds not being able to identify what they saw on November 22, 1963, is just absurd. If what you said was true then all gunshot victims would have to die to have their wounds assessed properly at an autopsy. Just silly.

I've already quoted four doctors from Parkland who said that the autopsy x-rays and photographs are in agreement with what they saw.

Your comment on autopsies is just ridiculous. Kennedy was dead and the doctors were frantic to save his life. They didn't even know he was shot in the back. Have a look at the 50th anniversary video from the Sixth Floor museum when they talk to witnesses. One of the Parkland doctors was on the panel, and he had no issues with the autopsy conclusions and he said that because Kennedy was on his back, they didn't know he was shot there.

There is a reason we do autopsies. But back to my main point. Have you read the HSCA evidence?  It doesn't appear you are familiar with it at all.

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« Reply #204 on: November 02, 2018, 10:20:17 PM »
I've already quoted four doctors from Parkland who said that the autopsy x-rays and photographs are in agreement with what they saw.

Your comment on autopsies is just ridiculous. Kennedy was dead and the doctors were frantic to save his life. They didn't even know he was shot in the back. Have a look at the 50th anniversary video from the Sixth Floor museum when they talk to witnesses. One of the Parkland doctors was on the panel, and he had no issues with the autopsy conclusions and he said that because Kennedy was on his back, they didn't know he was shot there.

There is a reason we do autopsies. But back to my main point. Have you read the HSCA evidence?  It doesn't appear you are familiar with it at all.

I've quoted way more than four. I have also quoted SS agents who saw the body up close. I can quote Chief Curry too as he saw the body when the limousine arrived at PH. NONE of them described a head wound that we see in the extant X-rays and photographs.

No sir, your claims are ridiculous. You can't save a life IF you don't know what wound(s) they have. It is absurd to think that they didn't even bother to look at the head wound. A nurse was told to put pressure on it for goodness sake. You just keep ignoring this fact.

So you are claiming that doctors do not assess wounds while treating them. Got it. You are basically saying that wounds are not assessed until the person dies. Totally ridiculous.

You still have not cited one piece of evidence that supposedly caused your conversion from  CT to LN.

Offline Fred Litwin

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« Reply #205 on: November 04, 2018, 04:24:44 PM »
I've quoted way more than four. I have also quoted SS agents who saw the body up close. I can quote Chief Curry too as he saw the body when the limousine arrived at PH. NONE of them described a head wound that we see in the extant X-rays and photographs.

No sir, your claims are ridiculous. You can't save a life IF you don't know what wound(s) they have. It is absurd to think that they didn't even bother to look at the head wound. A nurse was told to put pressure on it for goodness sake. You just keep ignoring this fact.

So you are claiming that doctors do not assess wounds while treating them. Got it. You are basically saying that wounds are not assessed until the person dies. Totally ridiculous.

You still have not cited one piece of evidence that supposedly caused your conversion from  CT to LN.

You haven't quoted more than four doctors who say the autopsy x-rays and photographs do NOT agree with what they saw. I have quoted four doctors who say that the autopsy x-rays and photos DO agree with what they saw. I am not "basically saying that wounds are not assesed until the person dies."  Those are your words. What I am saying is that the dallas doctors were frantically trying to save Kennedy's life. They did not turn his body over and they did not see his back wound. They were not measuring wounds. They were extremely busy with his IV drips and the tracheotomy, etc. And they didn't have much time and it was over. As for the head, yes, his head was a mess of bone, brain tissue, blood and hair. It was a mess. They did not do an examination.

There are issues with human memory, And that is why all the witnesses in Dallas say different things about what they witnessed. And that was shown earlier in this thread with the various pictures of where those witnesses place the head wound.

You refuse,for some reason, to read the authentication reports on the autopsy X-rays and photographs. It appears you are unfamiliar with the HSCA volumes of evidence. So, I will ask once again. Have you read the authentication reports that I cited earlier?

Offline Paul May

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« Reply #206 on: November 04, 2018, 05:50:59 PM »
Fred, understand who and what you?re dealing with here.  Caprio has done this crap all over the internet for perhaps 10-15 years now.  Always the same rhetoric.  Always the same arguments.  He?s been tossed off multiple sites for just this reason including conspiracy sites such as Deep Politics Forum and the The Ed Forum.  He does NOT know the evidence in any respect. I have challenged him to debate ANY aspect of this case LIVE on line for all to view. He runs away. You waste your time engaging with him.

Offline Fred Litwin

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« Reply #207 on: November 04, 2018, 05:57:29 PM »
Fred, understand who and what you?re dealing with here.  Caprio has done this crap all over the internet for perhaps 10-15 years now.  Always the same rhetoric.  Always the same arguments.  He?s been tossed off multiple sites for just this reason including conspiracy sites such as Deep Politics Forum and the The Ed Forum.  He does NOT know the evidence in any respect. I have challenged him to debate ANY aspect of this case LIVE on line for all to view. He runs away. You waste your time engaging with him.

You are definately right.

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #208 on: November 04, 2018, 07:20:40 PM »
You are definately right.

Nevertheless, it's important to take even the nuttiest conspiracy-mongers to task


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Re: I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)
« Reply #209 on: November 05, 2018, 05:00:15 AM »
You haven't quoted more than four doctors who say the autopsy x-rays and photographs do NOT agree with what they saw. I have quoted four doctors who say that the autopsy x-rays and photos DO agree with what they saw. I am not "basically saying that wounds are not assesed until the person dies."  Those are your words. What I am saying is that the dallas doctors were frantically trying to save Kennedy's life. They did not turn his body over and they did not see his back wound. They were not measuring wounds. They were extremely busy with his IV drips and the tracheotomy, etc. And they didn't have much time and it was over. As for the head, yes, his head was a mess of bone, brain tissue, blood and hair. It was a mess. They did not do an examination.

There are issues with human memory, And that is why all the witnesses in Dallas say different things about what they witnessed. And that was shown earlier in this thread with the various pictures of where those witnesses place the head wound.

You refuse,for some reason, to read the authentication reports on the autopsy X-rays and photographs. It appears you are unfamiliar with the HSCA volumes of evidence. So, I will ask once again. Have you read the authentication reports that I cited earlier?

Unless the extant X-rays and photographs depict a massive wound in the right rear of JFK's head then they are NOT authentic based on way more than four doctors.

When are you going to show that the extant X-rays and photographs depict the wounds seen on November 22, 1963, by many witnesses?

When will you provide supporting evidence for what you claim they didn't do at PH? When will you explain how someone can put pressure on the wound without looking at the wound?

You keep claiming that I haven't read something when you have no way of knowing, but you seem to make a lot of claims about things you couldn't know about.