Oswald's Light-Colored Jacket

[Richard Smith]

Said one clown to another.....

Pathetic insults and patronizing replies do not alter the facts.

Westbrook belonged to the DPD personnel office, for crying out loud. He was not hunting a killer and had no business handling evidence. He was with FBI agent Barrett following the events as they unfolded.

And even if he wanted to search the jacket, that's still no reason to remove the jacket from the scene before W.E. Barnes of the crime lab got there. Those guys were supposed to be professionals and regardless "what they were going through", they should have acted that way instead of making pathetic excuses afterwards.

Martin has watched too many episodes of CSI.  This happened in 1963.  Police investigations were a lot different then.  But that kind of lazy, defense attorney argument creates no doubt of Oswald's guilt.  It's just a way to extend the discussion by distracting from the evidence.

[Martin Weidmann]

Wow Marty you seem a little puckered up this morning, relax.

So they weren't so professional, ok I agree. Now what? Does that mean we throw the baby out with the bath water?

Does that mean we throw the baby out with the bath water?

What baby would that be? Is there a baby left to throw out?

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin has watched too many episodes of CSI.  This happened in 1963.  Police investigations were a lot different then.  But that kind of lazy, defense attorney argument creates no doubt of Oswald's guilt.  It's just a way to extend the discussion by distracting from the evidence.

Martin has watched too many episodes of CSI. 

A fool's argument.

This happened in 1963.  Police investigations were a lot different then.

I agree... they were far more a rush to judgment then.... especially in Texas

It's just a way to extend the discussion by distracting from the evidence.

What evidence?..... There is none, stupid! All you've got is Westbrook's scouts honor!

You've got a half blind woman who was concentrating more on getting the TV to work, claiming Oswald (who she only could have seen in the blink of an eye) left the roominghouse wearing a jacket, but when she is shown CE 162 she says the jacket she saw was darker...... as in darker, like perhaps his shirt? Remember officer Baker making the same mistake in the 2nd floor lunchroom?

Then you've got a jacket allegedly found under a car, described by two officers who saw it in broad daylight as being white.

And you've got a gray jacket suddenly showing up at the police station but nobody can tell us where it came from or who brought it in. What we do know is that it is initialed by two officers who did not find or see it at the car park and did not handle it until it got to the station....

[Bill Brown]

Said one clown to another.....

Pathetic insults and patronizing replies do not alter the facts.

Westbrook belonged to the DPD personnel office, for crying out loud. He was not hunting a killer and had no business handling evidence. He was with FBI agent Barrett following the events as they unfolded.

And even if he wanted to search the jacket, that's still no reason to remove the jacket from the scene before W.E. Barnes of the crime lab got there. Those guys were supposed to be professionals and regardless "what they were going through", they should have acted that way instead of making pathetic excuses afterwards.

Westbrook belonged to the DPD personnel office, for crying out loud. He was not hunting a killer and had no business handling evidence.

You're not making sense.  You've argued that someone other than Westbrook picked up the jacket from underneath the car.

Therefore, once Westbrook "handled" the evidence, it had already been picked up by another and it makes no sense to criticize him for the jacket being picked up off the ground.

By the way, do you have ANY thing at all to post which suggests that someone other than Lee Oswald murdered J.D. Tippit?

[Bill Brown]

How about you?  Do you have any evidence to show which supports the idea that anyone other than Lee Oswald killed J.D. Tippit?  Maybe you can help Weidmann out.  Can you post evidence which points to someone else not named Lee Oswald?

I don't entertain a specific theory.

You do and your evidence is as weak as can be.

I'm surprised this has to be explained to you over and over.

Translation:  No.

[Bill Brown]

What evidence?..... There is none, stupid! All you've got it Westbrook's scouts honor!

You've got a half blind woman who was concentrating more on getting the TV to work, claiming Oswald (who she only could have seen in the blink of an eye) left the roominghouse wearing a jacket, but when she is shown CE 162 she says the jacket she saw was darker...... as in darker, like perhaps his shirt? Remember officer Baker making the same mistake in the 2nd floor lunchroom?

Calling Earlene Roberts "half blind" is a pathetic cop-out.  Roberts could see a police car out on the street but couldn't see Oswald as he went out the front door fifteen feet away from her?

...but when she is shown CE 162 she says the jacket she saw was darker...... as in darker, like perhaps his shirt?

Now you're saying Oswald was zipping up a shirt as he went out the front door?

[Gary Craig]

How does the lack of a certain response from the culprit mean that Callaway did not say something to him?  Do you think before you post?

"How does the lack of a certain response from the culprit mean that Callaway did not say something to him?"

I didn't say he didn't.

In fact he did yell at him.

That wasn't the conversation though was it Bill?

You claimed that Callaway got as good a look at Tippit's killer as Domingo Benavides and was thus as good

a witness as him to identify Tippit's killer.

I pointed out that Benavides' view was 15 feet from the killer as he turned away from shooting Tippit

and Callaway's view was at best from 56 feet looking at a running/trotting figure.

You tried to bolster your contention by saying Callaway "talked" to the suspect.

Below is Callaway's recollection of the "talk" he had with Tippit's killer.


TESTIMONY OF TED CALLAWAY

~snip~

Mr. BALL. And did you say anything to him?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you say?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I hollered "Hey, man, what the hell is going on?" When he was right along here.

~snip~

Mr. DULLES. Did he say anything?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; he said something, but I could not understand it.
Mr. DULLES. You could not understand what he said?
Mr. CALLAWAY. That is right; yes, sir.

~snip~