Oswald's Light-Colored Jacket

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Offline John Anderson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #588 on: February 22, 2018, 01:53:23 AM »
Agreed.  It was Tim who said "that's what happened".

FBI, no.  Dallas PD, yes.

It was Gary Craig.

"Does this mean that you accept that the fibers came from Oswald's blanket?"

They could have.

The point I was making was, since no fibers from that blanket were found on the TSBD Carcano the ones

found in/on the homemade gun case didn't/couldn't have come from that rifle. Where did the fibers come

from then? The logical conclusion, based on the photo of the blanket and gun case in contact while in LE

possession, is the fibers got on the gun case via cross contamination. If you argue against that proposition

you are left with evidence tampering.


Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #589 on: February 22, 2018, 06:09:13 AM »
It was Gary Craig.

You're wrong on both counts.

1st).

It was Tim Nickerson who said "that is what happened".

Quote from: Tim Nickerson on February 21, 2018, 05:29:28 PM

"That is what happened. Any blanket fibers that had been on the rifle would have fallen off between the time that Oswald removed the rifle from the blanket and the time that Carl Day prepared it to be handed over to Vincent Drain."

2nd).



Allegedly the TSBD Carcano was wrapped in the blanket found in the Paine's garage for several months.

It was moved around, opened and closed etc in that time. 

It's a absolute certainty that fibers from that blanket would have been found on that rifle if the above is

true. The rough stock, sharp edges and angles would have snagged and trapped hundreds of fiubers.


Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #590 on: February 22, 2018, 06:17:16 AM »
I didn't say it was true. I posted it was possible in response to someone who claimed he had 'the only other logical explanation'
which definitely isn't true.

If the bag and blanket were forensically analysed before being photographed together and touching on a table then we have reason to consider it as true. If they were not forensically analysed by that point then no we don't have good reason. Simple. Although time stamping photos isn't necessarily so simple.

Is there any good reason to believe the FBI would be so incompetent?

Doesn't matter when the photos were taken.

The photos establish the sloppy careless way the evidence was handled by LE.

The cross contamination could have taken place at anytime while in their possession.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #591 on: February 22, 2018, 07:25:14 PM »
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Everybody's a F'N detective. Beautiful.

Your posts are always so informative and helpful......Have you found a rational explanation for all of those red rings in the TSBD windows  yet?

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #592 on: February 22, 2018, 11:52:08 PM »
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Everybody's a F'N detective. Beautiful.

Somebody has to be.

Offline John Anderson

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« Reply #593 on: February 23, 2018, 01:57:09 AM »
You're wrong on both counts.

1st).

It was Tim Nickerson who said "that is what happened".

Quote from: Tim Nickerson on February 21, 2018, 05:29:28 PM

"That is what happened. Any blanket fibers that had been on the rifle would have fallen off between the time that Oswald removed the rifle from the blanket and the time that Carl Day prepared it to be handed over to Vincent Drain."

2nd).



Allegedly the TSBD Carcano was wrapped in the blanket found in the Paine's garage for several months.

It was moved around, opened and closed etc in that time. 

It's a absolute certainty that fibers from that blanket would have been found on that rifle if the above is

true. The rough stock, sharp edges and angles would have snagged and trapped hundreds of fiubers.

I beg to differ. You said



Whether the photograph was taken on the 22nd or the 26th is Irrelevant.

The photo shows they were sloppy and used evidence handling techniques that would absolutely have

caused cross contamination between different items in their possession. In this case the homemade

TSBD wrapping paper gun case and the blanket from the Paine's garage that was allegedly used,

for at least several months, to wrap the TSBD Carcano. The disregard and lack of care shown in the photo

is proof the cross contamination could have taken place anytime the evidence was in their hands.

Since there were no fibers found on the TSBD rifle, the logical conclusion of how the fibers found on

homemade gun case got there is cross contamination. Arguing against that proposition is tantamount to

admitting evidence tampering.


In response to the part I highlighted in bold I said

A logical possibility is fibres from the blanket were on the rifle which were then transferred from the rifle to the bag.
No blanket fibres left remaining on the rifle doesn't negate that possibility.
I'm not saying that is what happened I'm saying it is possible.

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #594 on: February 26, 2018, 02:52:57 AM »
I beg to differ. You said

In response to the part I highlighted in bold I said

Quote from: John Anderson on February 21, 2018, 02:11:34 AM
"A logical possibility is fibres from the blanket were on the rifle which were then transferred from the rifle to the bag.
No blanket fibres left remaining on the rifle doesn't negate that possibility.
I'm not saying that is what happened I'm saying it is possible.


No blanket fibers were found on the TSBD Caracano.

That rifle was allegedly wrapped in it for months.

Kicked around the floor of the Paine's garage and possibly making a road trip to New Orleans and back.

The possibility of 3 or 4 fibers being transferred with the gun to the homemade gun case without

more remaining on it, after spending that amount of time in contact, is zero.