Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

You can't miss them.
You just need to look.

Sorry Dan,     The reason I couldn't see the "screws in the butt plate" is because I didn't recognize them as the screws in the butt plate of a carcano.    I'm very familiar with the Manlicher carcano and I know that the butt plate screws are a mere 2 1/4 inches apart ...Whereas the the space between the two bright spots in the film appear to be much greater than 2 1/4".

Also the screws in the butt plate of a carcano are NOT bright metal ..... The butt plate screws are the same color as the butt plate.  That color is a dark gun metal grey.....


If the dark object in the film was the butt of a carcano that butt would be approximately 10 inches across......The butt of a carcano is 4 inches across.....

I hope that you will receive this factual information and use it in reaching conclusions about the carcano ......
 

[Dan O'meara]

If the dark object in the film was the butt of a carcano that butt would be approximately 10 inches across......The butt of a carcano is 4 inches across.....

10 inches across??
Where are you getting that "factual information"  from?




The screws are very distinctive.

LATER EDIT - If, as you say, the butt plate is 4 inches long then the screws in the image above are more than 2 1/4 inches apart.
So much for your factual information!

[Dan O'meara]

Also the screws in the butt plate of a carcano are NOT bright metal ..... The butt plate screws are the same color as the butt plate.  That color is a dark gun metal grey.....

Below is a still from the Alyea film of Day picking up the Mannlicher.
I've marked where the screw is glinting as in the video I posted.



The Mannlicher was in an upright position when it was found.
I've posted more than enough evidence to illustrate this.
There's not much more anyone else can do to prove you are mistaken on this irrelevant point.

[Walt Cakebread]

10 inches across??
Where are you getting that "factual information"  from?




The screws are very distinctive.

LATER EDIT - If, as you say, the butt plate is 4 inches long then the screws in the image above are more than 2 1/4 inches apart.
So much for your factual information!

C'mon Dan...Just admit that you were mistaken about the two bright spots being the butt plate screws of a carcano ....

You posted the picture of the butt of a carcano .... It should be obvious that the bright spots in the photo are not the screws in the butt plate of a carcano.

[Dan O'meara]

C'mon Dan...Just admit that you were mistaken about the two bright spots being the butt plate screws of a carcano ....

You posted the picture of the butt of a carcano .... It should be obvious that the bright spots in the photo are not the screws in the butt plate of a carcano.

Well, whatever they are Walt, they reflect light in exactly the same way.
The light reflecting on the spots of the rifle butt by Fritz's feet are exactly the same as the spots reflecting on the butt plate when Day lifts the rifle up.

The reflective spots demonstrate demonstrate the rifle was in an upright position when Fritz entered the area where the rifle was concealed.

That's all there is to it.

[Walt Cakebread]

Well, whatever they are Walt, they reflect light in exactly the same way.
The light reflecting on the spots of the rifle butt by Fritz's feet are exactly the same as the spots reflecting on the butt plate when Day lifts the rifle up.

The reflective spots demonstrate demonstrate the rifle was in an upright position when Fritz entered the area where the rifle was concealed.

That's all there is to it.

No, Dan....  Those bright spots are not the screws in the butt plate of a carcano.

[Dan O'meara]

No, Dan....  Those bright spots are not the screws in the butt plate of a carcano.

Then what are they Walt?