O. H. LEE

[Steve Howsley]

Trust me, I believe it.

It's my curiousity that has lead me to examine the case as thoroughly as possible.

Over the years I've read and watched everything I could regarding the assassination.

I started out believing there was a conspiracy.

Eventually, I came to my senses.

It's been a long journey.

I was 7 yrs old when the assassination happened.

I can remember getting dismissed from school and crying to my mother that I didn't want the president to be dead. I remember sitting with my friend and discussing what should be done to the assassin. My 7 year old answer was he should be put under a rocket ship and incinerated.

I remember watching my dad's reaction to Saint Patsy getting shot on national TV.

The newspapers of 11/22/63 were saved.

The saying 'everyone remembers where they were when JFK was killed' is definitely true in my case, and I've always been fascinated by the case.

At first, authors like Mark Lane and Rush to Judegement seemed pretty convincing to me.

Hidden assassins on the grassy knoll, dead witnesses, and a massive cover-up seemed reasonable; The SBT and a lone shooter didn't.

I couldn't wait to see the Groden's Zap film on Geraldo's show.

Over the years I've come to realize Mark Lane was a snakeoil salesman and Groden is a nut. Try reading High Treason if you doubt that.

Lifton is the biggest crackpot there is. Try reading Best Evidence and not laughing your ass off. 

About the only conspiracy author I've read and have any respect for is Anthony Summers. At least he doesn't ridiculously advocate that Saint Patsy was innocent and he does lay out a compelling case Saint Patsy might have been a 'spook' asset.

The HSCA acoustical findings seemed pretty solid, but that's been proven to be garbage too. Thank you forum member Steve Barber.

Frontal entry throat shot ? Easily dispelled by the use of common sense.

The more you think about it, based on the Z film and forensics, the SBT is the only way it could have happened and should be called the Single Bullet Fact.

Give me the work of Dale Myers and especially Vince Bugliosi over all the conspiracy theorists, any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Forum member David Von Pein is darned good too.

Are there unknowns about the assassination despite it being the most exhaustively studied and investigated murder in history ? Yes.

But I'm quite comfortable telling you that Saint Patsy was JFK's and Tippit's murderer beyond any reasonable doubt and that there's no credible evidence of a conspiracy, either foreign or domestic.

I SAID IT  I MEANT IT  I'M HERE TO REPRESENT IT

 

Yours is a similar background to my own. I too waded through the conspiracy muck thinking it smelt sweet not realising the dishonesty of many of the most prominent of the CT authors including those you have mentioned. I agree with you regarding Summers. I see him as a honest researcher although I wouldn't use "compelling" to describe his 'spook' asset theory but I do find it interesting and worthy of consideration. Josiah Thompson's 'Six Seconds In Dallas' is another excellent effort in unbiased research.  I think Armstrong's 'Harvey and Lee' might rival Lifton's 'Best Evidence' in the crackpot awards.

Good post Howard.

[Bill Chapman]

People who know far more about National Security than you and I have opinionated that Oswald didn?t act alone. Those include:

- Father of the Warren Commission, Lyndon Johnson
- Robert Kennedy
- Sen. John Kerry

Plus a few former CIA agents like Brian Latell and Bob Baer

Those are just a few names that come to mind without researching

As far as spycraft, maybe he learned it in the Marines where he learned Russian. That?s the most likely place.

Or maybe he learned a few things living in the USSR.

Who knows a man better than his wife? Marina certainly was entertained by the killer of fascists' demonstrated delusions of grandeur.

And none of these guys were ballistics experts.. possibly not knowing that FMJ ammo is designed to pass-through-and-through flesh and remain intact.

[Jon Banks]

Who knows a man better than his wife? Marina certainly was entertained by the killer of fascists' demonstrated delusions of grandeur.

I?m sure there?s plenty she didn?t want to know about Lee and she couldn?t possibly know every person he interacted with when he wasn?t home. And Lee doesn?t strike me as the type of husband who shared everything on his mind with his wife.

She also wasn?t a useful witness on Oswald?s ownership of a rifle.

And none of these guys were ballistics experts.. possibly not knowing that FMJ ammo is designed to pass-through-and-through flesh and remain intact.

None of the people I mentioned believed there were any Shooters other than Oswald.

Johnson, RFK and others implied that Oswald was working with either the Soviets or the Cubans.

It seems notable that none of those folks with Insider knowledge of National Security looked at Oswald?s background and thought, ?there?s no way that guy could be part of a conspiracy?

[Jon Banks]

Mr. FRITZ. You know I didn't have trouble with him. If we would just talk to him quietly like we are talking right now, we talked all right until I asked him a question that meant something, every time I asked him a question that meant something, that would produce evidence he immediately told me he wouldn't tell me about it and he seemed to anticipate what I was going to ask. In fact, he got so good at it one time, I asked him if he had had any training, if he hadn't been questioned before.

Oswald was just a Natural. He couldn?t possibly have had training

[Martin Weidmann]

So someone else fired C2766 on 11/22/63 ?

In other words, sometime after Saint Patsy is photographed with the murder weapon, it somehow winds up in the hands of the real assassin who happens to assassinate JFK from Oswald's workplace.

Makes perfect sense that someone else used Saint Patsy's rifle, and there's plenty of evidence to support that idea, right ?

I'm sure the FBI and WC thought someone else fired C2766....wait a minute....I thought the FBI and WC framed Saint Patsy....now I find out they didn't think Oswald was doing the shooting....this gets soooooo confusing. 

Once you concede that C2766 was Oswald's rifle, you might as well surrender your Saint Patsy fan club card.

sometime after Saint Patsy is photographed with the murder weapon


And you know this for a fact, how?

Once you concede that C2766 was Oswald's rifle,

I'll concede that once you have shown conclusively that this is true.

Well. can you?

[Jerry Freeman]

The FBI determined that he used the name H.O. Lee when he purchased a bus ticket back from Mexico City.
And his visa to Mexico, the one he used to go there and visit the Cuban and Soviet consulates, shows the name Lee, Harvey Oswald - or H.O. Lee on it. Although that appears to be a typographical mistake since he signed it Lee Harvey Oswald and not Harvey Oswald Lee.

  Don't tell me you still think Oswald actually went to Mexico?
And probably some buracho ticket seller typed the name wrong anyway.
 

 
 

[Walt Cakebread]

Oswald was just a Natural. He couldn?t possibly have had training

You're right .....   Lee was a natural...but his talents were honed by the CIA....