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PBS-TV's "Fake" Order Form For The Rifle
« on: September 04, 2014, 07:10:25 AM »
This topic is merely an "FYI" kind of thing that I found kind of interesting (and amusing)....

While watching Part 1 of PBS-TV's 1993 documentary "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?", I noticed something near the end of that first hour that I had never noticed before -- it's a simulated (color) version of the Klein's Sporting Goods order form that Oswald had used to order the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.

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The producers of the above-linked PBS "Frontline" program (Part 1; at 56:11) created a fake version of Oswald's order form, with all of the things written on the form that the real Oswald had written in on the form he sent to Klein's in March of 1963. They created this forgery apparently in order to simulate what the entire Klein's ad would have looked like PRIOR to the ad ever being cut out of the magazine where the advertisement appeared.

I don't know why the PBS producers couldn't have merely shown the full-page Klein's ad being accompanied by the REAL order form that Oswald filled out in '63 (which is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login). But they did not do that, opting instead to create a phony version of the order form. (I guess they desperately must have wanted to show the blue color of the ink.)

Anyway, I just thought I'd share this obvious "forgery", which might make some conspiracy theorists smile with delight (in a "See how easy it is to fake Oswald's handwriting" kind of way), because at first glance it does, indeed, look like a pretty good representation of Lee Harvey Oswald's writing (complete with Oswald's common habit of capitalizing some printed letters, while not capitalizing other letters).

But when the real and fake documents are compared side by side, the differences become very obvious (see the montage I created below; the real Oswald order form is, of course, the black-and-white one on the left).

In the fake order form, the "P" in "P.O. Box" looks different. As does the "E" in "Hidell" and the "95" in "$19.95" and the "X" in "Box". Plus, the "7" in the item number doesn't match. And the "A" in "A. Hidell" is not the same at all. They've got it in lower case in the forged document, but Oswald wrote it in upper case on the real form.

It makes me wonder what a "questioned documents expert" would say if he were to examine the forgery on the right below? Would he be able to tell right away it was a fake? My guess is: Yes, he would.

But I find it interesting that the PBS people who made the Oswald documentary in 1993 would go to the trouble of creating a fake (or "simulated") version of Lee Oswald's rifle order form when a relatively clear copy of the real thing is right there to use on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login of the Warren Commission volumes.



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Re: PBS-TV's "Fake" Order Form For The Rifle
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2014, 11:54:45 AM »
the reason they never used a capital A if you look carefully is because they mistakenly used the middle initial of a J and had no option  to turn it in to a capital A and had to make a big small a instead.

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Re: PBS-TV's "Fake" Order Form For The Rifle
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2014, 03:08:03 PM »
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This topic is merely an "FYI" kind of thing that I found kind of interesting (and amusing)....

While watching Part 1 of PBS-TV's 1993 documentary "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?", I noticed something near the end of that first hour that I had never noticed before -- it's a simulated (color) version of the Klein's Sporting Goods order form that Oswald had used to order the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.

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The producers of the above-linked PBS "Frontline" program (Part 1; at 56:11) created a fake version of Oswald's order form, with all of the things written on the form that the real Oswald had written in on the form he sent to Klein's in March of 1963. They created this forgery apparently in order to simulate what the entire Klein's ad would have looked like PRIOR to the ad ever being cut out of the magazine where the advertisement appeared.

I don't know why the PBS producers couldn't have merely shown the full-page Klein's ad being accompanied by the REAL order form that Oswald filled out in '63 (which is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login). But they did not do that, opting instead to create a phony version of the order form. (I guess they desperately must have wanted to show the blue color of the ink.)

Anyway, I just thought I'd share this obvious "forgery", which might make some conspiracy theorists smile with delight (in a "See how easy it is to fake Oswald's handwriting" kind of way), because at first glance it does, indeed, look like a pretty good representation of Lee Harvey Oswald's writing (complete with Oswald's common habit of capitalizing some printed letters, while not capitalizing other letters).

But when the real and fake documents are compared side by side, the differences become very obvious (see the montage I created below; the real Oswald order form is, of course, the black-and-white one on the left).

In the fake order form, the "P" in "P.O. Box" looks different. As does the "E" in "Hidell" and the "95" in "$19.95" and the "X" in "Box". Plus, the "7" in the item number doesn't match. And the "A" in "A. Hidell" is not the same at all. They've got it in lower case in the forged document, but Oswald wrote it in upper case on the real form.

It makes me wonder what a "questioned documents expert" would say if he were to examine the forgery on the right below? Would he be able to tell right away it was a fake? My guess is: Yes, he would.

But I find it interesting that the PBS people who made the Oswald documentary in 1993 would go to the trouble of creating a fake (or "simulated") version of Lee Oswald's rifle order form when a relatively clear copy of the real thing is right there to use on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login of the Warren Commission volumes.





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Interesting find. Looking at the original form, I can understand why the producers chose to "forge" a version for airing. I discovered a similar situation after I obtained a copy of the Milteer/Somersett tape from the National Archives. Playing the archive version next to the tape Nigel Turner aired on his TMWKK series, I quickly discovered Turner's version was a re-enactment, "forgery" if you'd like to play the sinister card. However, in discussing the matter with the third party who obtained my archive copy, he explained that because the Milteer tape in the NA was not considered "broadcast quality", Turner probably chose to re-enact for a higher quality sound. Turner stayed true to the script and listeners were treated to a tape they could discern. It appears to me PBS went the same route. The original order form would not have been clear to viewers- it was also not of "broadcast quality", if you will. Like Turner, PBS stayed true to the original, albeit not perfectly.

Ultimately, the only thing these producers could be called out on, IMO, was in not disclosing to their listeners/viewers that they were not hearing/seeing the originals.


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Re: PBS-TV's "Fake" Order Form For The Rifle
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2014, 04:21:51 PM »
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David-
Interesting find. Looking at the original form, I can understand why the producers chose to "forge" a version for airing. I discovered a similar situation after I obtained a copy of the Milteer/Somersett tape from the National Archives. Playing the archive version next to the tape Nigel Turner aired on his TMWKK series, I quickly discovered Turner's version was a re-enactment, "forgery" if you'd like to play the sinister card. However, in discussing the matter with the third party who obtained my archive copy, he explained that because the Milteer tape in the NA was not considered "broadcast quality", Turner probably chose to re-enact for a higher quality sound. Turner stayed true to the script and listeners were treated to a tape they could discern. It appears to me PBS went the same route. The original order form would not have been clear to viewers- it was also not of "broadcast quality", if you will. Like Turner, PBS stayed true to the original, albeit not perfectly.

Ultimately, the only thing these producers could be called out on, IMO, was in not disclosing to their listeners/viewers that they were not hearing/seeing the originals.


Jeff

So Jeff, you are saying that the voices on the TMWKK broadcast are not actually Somersett and Milteer? From what you could make out from the copies, did they sound close at all? Just wondering...
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Re: PBS-TV's "Fake" Order Form For The Rifle
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2014, 04:27:48 PM »
i thought them different as the original is hard to make out all the words where as on the "reenactment" it is very clear. I didnt know if it was just a better copy , but i know better now, thanks.

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Re: PBS-TV's "Fake" Order Form For The Rifle
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So Jeff, you are saying that the voices on the TMWKK broadcast are not actually Somersett and Milteer? From what you could make out from the copies, did they sound close at all? Just wondering...
Tim-

The actors did an excellent job, Tim. With few inconsequential exceptions the script was verbatim. They even got pauses, intonations, etc. down. As I recall, one of the bigger giveaways was the lack of background sounds in the re-enactment- sirens outside, door slam, etc.

FWIW, even the Miami Police Dept. transcript is not 100% accurate.


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Re: PBS-TV's "Fake" Order Form For The Rifle
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2014, 05:11:18 PM »
LOL Preemptive strike?