Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?

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Offline James Hackerott

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Re: Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2018, 07:32:10 PM »
I don?t think the reflections would be too distracting.

For the three shots at z153, z222 and z312, I calculate that the most reflective part of the pool would be (in 3-D space) 22, 31 and 34 degrees away from the target locations. And the sun itself would be (again in 3-D space) 17 degrees away from the ideal location needed to shine the brightest image into that window.

There will be some bright sparkles of light on the pool, due to small ripples in the water, but being pretty far from the target, the location along the road Oswald would have been aiming, I doubt this would be a problem.

Of course, some firing tests would have to be done to confirm this. Dealey Plaza can?t be used but it would be possible to find some remote location, with a small body of water, where this test can be made, at least with stationary targets.

Ideally, the sun would be about 10 degrees too high, and about 15 degrees too far to the west, to reflect the image of the sun directly into the shooter?s eyes, and the shooter should be looking (compass angles) 24, 34 and 35 degrees further west of the body of water, and down at an angle of 30, 21 and 16 degrees at the three targets.
Joe, again I thank your for your analysis.

I want to address a possible re-enactment scenario that can be appreciated from the comfort of your favorite computer chair by viewing EarthCam's live stream from the 6th floor SE window. Unless EarthCam or the SFM change the view the reflection pool will be in frame. We can view it on November 22, but until those trees are cut back to 1963 size they will block most of the sparkle . My thinking is to use symmetry to find dates that match within a few degrees the simultaneous 37 degree altitude and 144 155 degree azimuth that will match the sun's position Nov 22, 1963, but hit from east of the N/S line ? giving an effective elimination of those shade trees . I think I've calculated the 144 155 degree azimuth correctly. There are two dates that fill both requirements. They are October 26th @ 11:16 and February 16 @ 10:47 November 7 at 10:48 and February 3 at 11:18.

Better yet, if you're fortunate to visit the museum on or near those two dates you can view live from 1 row of windows west or the 7th floor above the SN. Note that on the 6th floor photography is not permitted while photography is perfectly okay on the 7th.

Of course, like  most astronomical events, clear skies are favored and for this experiment a stiff breeze and/or working fountains are needed.

Mark your calendars!
Simulation from 7th floor for November 22.


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I must make corrections to the dates and times I presented above due to a recalculated azimuth of 155 degrees with 37 deg altitude. The original times were determined using an incorrect azimuth of 144 degrees. The corrected times are November 7 at 10:48 and February 3 at 11:18.  At those times the sun will have an altitude of 37 degrees and azimuth of 155 degrees. Please advance to post #15 for updated graphics at these times versus an 11/22 12:30 sun at 185 degrees.

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Re: Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 11:31:31 PM »
Hahaha, how do you get a guy with no alibi into the Domino room?

Same way you get the same guy in a window on the 6th floor.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 01:00:13 AM »
Hahaha, how do you get a guy with no alibi into the Domino room?
 

Same way you get the same guy in a window on the 6th floor.
Oswald?s fingerprint/palmprints on boxes found in the Domino room?
Oswald?s rifle, with paperwork that connects to it Oswald, were found in the Domino room?
The same rifle had Oswald?s palmprints on it?
A witness (who wasn?t Oswald) said he saw Oswald in the Domino room at 12:30?

Wow, I had no idea the evidence of Oswald being in the Domino room at 12:30 was just as strong as the evidence that he was at the sniper?s window on the sixth floor.

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Re: Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 06:24:56 PM »
Oswald?s fingerprint/palmprints on boxes found in the Domino room?

They probably were.  He was reportedly in there often.  As I keep pointing out, his job was to get books out of boxes.  Often even on the 6th floor.

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Oswald?s rifle, with paperwork that connects to it Oswald, were found in the Domino room?

LOL.  What you actually mean is that unscientific and biased handwriting "analysis" of two block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of an 2-inch order coupon purports that he filled out the coupon, and paperwork allegedly printed from microfilm that is now "missing" shows the rifle associated with a PO box that Oswald had access to.

But how does any of that show that Oswald was in a 6th floor window shooting at the President?

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The same rifle had Oswald?s palmprints on it?

What you actually mean is that a single partial palmprint that arrived a week later on an index card was matched to Oswald.

But how does that show that Oswald was in a 6th floor window shooting at the President?

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A witness (who wasn?t Oswald) said he saw Oswald in the Domino room at 12:30?

As opposed to the witness who said he saw Oswald in the SE corner 6th floor 12:30?  Oh yeah...the guy who failed to identify him in a rigged lineup even after seeing him on TV as the culprit, claimed to see him from the belt up at the time of the head shot, and gave a description that was the wrong age, wrong weight, wrong height, and wrong clothing to be Oswald.

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Wow, I had no idea the evidence of Oswald being in the Domino room at 12:30 was just as strong as the evidence that he was at the sniper?s window on the sixth floor.

They are equally strong.  As I said, regarding Oswald's location at 12:30, your guess is as good or bad as anyone else's.
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Re: Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2018, 09:18:50 PM »
They probably were.  He was reportedly in there often.  As I keep pointing out, his job was to get books out of boxes.  Often even on the 6th floor.

LOL.  What you actually mean is that unscientific and biased handwriting "analysis" of two block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy of an 2-inch order coupon purports that he filled out the coupon, and paperwork allegedly printed from microfilm that is now "missing" shows the rifle associated with a PO box that Oswald had access to.

But how does any of that show that Oswald was in a 6th floor window shooting at the President?

What you actually mean is that a single partial palmprint that arrived a week later on an index card was matched to Oswald.

But how does that show that Oswald was in a 6th floor window shooting at the President?

As opposed to the witness who said he saw Oswald in the SE corner 6th floor 12:30?  Oh yeah...the guy who failed to identify him in a rigged lineup even after seeing him on TV as the culprit, claimed to see him from the belt up at the time of the head shot, and gave a description that was the wrong age, wrong weight, wrong height, and wrong clothing to be Oswald.

They are equally strong.  As I said, regarding Oswald's location at 12:30, your guess is as good or bad as anyone else's.

Hilarious, you just don't get it, the fact that you have to provide bizarre contradictory excuses for each piece of powerful corroborated evidence just shows that your alternative just doesn't exist.

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Re: Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2018, 12:17:19 AM »
Hilarious, you just don't get it, the fact that you have to provide bizarre contradictory excuses for each piece of powerful corroborated evidence just shows that your alternative just doesn't exist.

Actually it is you who has to provide bizarre contradictory excuses for why your dubious, conflicting, contradictory evidence is still "powerful and corroborated".

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Re: Did Astronomy Play into Shot Targeting?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2018, 12:45:11 AM »
Actually it is you who has to provide bizarre contradictory excuses for why your dubious, conflicting, contradictory evidence is still "powerful and corroborated".

Excuses are the very foundation of the CT movement.

JohnM