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Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Tony Fratini on January 14, 2018, 02:31:17 AM ---A little bit of rain wont be an issue for a small paper bag that Lee could tuck under his armpit and cup it in his palm, right? His jacket would have shielded it. Lee may have suspected that BWF was waiting for him in the carport.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it didn't. I just thought maybe, you know, he just left a little bit earlier but when I looked up and saw that the clock was. I knew I was the one who was running a little bit late because, as I say, I was talking, sitting there eating breakfast and talking to the little nieces, it was later than I thought it was.
LMR told us this from her WC testimony.
Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.
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Mr. BALL. What did he do?
Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.
JohnM
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Tony Fratini on January 14, 2018, 02:53:30 AM ---Which is not what she said here:
Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.
LMR didn't see Lee open any door - she assumed that he did.
BIG difference to a direct observation JohnM.
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Sorry Tony but "I just saw that he was laying the package down" is a direct observation, unless you have a different definition for the word "saw", well???
I honestly don't understand why you are fighting this?, even if the wall was solid we know that;
1) Oswald was carrying a package and walked past the back door, then walked back to the front door.
2) Frazier saw a package on the back seat which Oswald admitted was his.
JohnM
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Tony Fratini on January 14, 2018, 01:18:55 AM ---LMR was inside her house, took a brief peek and was not standing next to the angled down slats. Do you know if there was another car in the carport at the time?
She of course had no issues at all with what Lee did - why would she? Who else did she think that person was?
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him arrive with Lee?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you recall on a Thursday night, November 21 that you saw Lee get out of Wesley's car?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.
Mr. BALL. Did you talk to Wesley about the fact that he had brought Lee home on this night?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Lee?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Where did you see him?
Mrs. RANDLE. I saw him as he crossed the street and come across my driveway to where Wesley had his car parked by the carport.
Then this:
Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.
Suddenly we have a "unknown" person putting in a "long package" in her brother's car yet never says a word to her brother.
Give me a break.
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--- Quote ---LMR was inside her house, took a brief peek and was not standing next to the angled down slats.
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Huh? standing right next to the slats???, as the following gif shows, the camera was almost as close as Linnie was to the slats and we can see other objects on the other side of the open slat at almost the same height as the camera and we know that Linnie's pov was way above the right rear door of Frazier's car.
JohnM
Zeon Wasinsky:
if could just figure out what was in the paperbag that was only 2 feet long, +/- couple inches.
suggestions:
1. Lunch.. Myttons idea.. probably not ::)
2. Disassembled MC rifle 35 inch, needing about 5 in more to fold over= 40 inch bag.
3. Communist Cuba Flag rolled up, which Oswald was going to fly out of a window, in protest, similar to Umbrella man using umbrella, and DC man his upraised arm, during shots fired.,, uh.. Oswald chikend out and didnt do it.
4. Dozen donuts in line, like they sell at Walmart, Oswald was going give them out...nah
5. Camera with tripod, Oswald wanted take photo of presidential limo.
6. Solid wooden curtain rods to replace the cheap flimsy metal rods in Oswalds boardnig room.
7. Oswalds freshly washed socks and underwear, that he had washed and dryed thursday at Paines house..
8. Some bags of sand or salt, that conspirator had paid Oswald to bring into TSBD, and which Oswald suspected might be illegal substance, but the pay was good, and he didnt ask any questions.
9. some type of lamp fixture, base, or adjustable lamp.
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Tony Fratini on January 14, 2018, 04:30:38 AM ---The slats are all angled - just exactly what do you think she saw with a brief view from her limited POV?
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OMG Tony, Linnie couldn't be more clear, she saw Oswald go to the right rear door of Frazier's car and put a package in, then when Frazier gets in Frazier sees the package on the back seat.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him go to the car?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did he do?
Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down
Mr. BALL. He put the package in the car.
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir;
Senator COOPER. I mean did you see him throw open the. door?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Btw how did Linnie know that Oswald put the package on the back seat which was only later confirmed by Buell.
RANDLE stated that about 7:15 a.m., November 22, 1963, she looked out of a window of her residence and observed LEE HARVEY OSWALD walking up her driveway and saw him put a long brown package, approximately 3 feet by 6 inches, in the back seat area of WESLEY FRAZIER's 1954 black Chevrolet four door automobile.
JohnM
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