Where was Lovelady Standing in Wiegman and Altgens6?

[Alan Ford]

Alan,
I've created three sets of Wiegman W1 vs Altgens6 at the landing, 6in East and 12in East.
For each set Lovelady leans from his approximate waist from 0-35deg. Please review and pick one or two that best match your Lovelady to Frazier observation.

p.s. I hope you and others have means to step through these as single frames. Maybe there is a better way to display these?

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I'm afraid none of them do, James. The Wiegman frame does not (IMO) show Lovelady bending forward to any great extent, and each standing-straight Lovelady is simply too high, and too close, in relation to Frazier's head:



We seem to be looking at different Fraziers in W1! To replicate the actual relationship of BL and BWF in W1, why not simply put BL down on step 1?

[James Hackerott]

I'm afraid none of them do, James. The Wiegman frame does not (IMO) show Lovelady bending forward to any great extent, and each standing-straight Lovelady is simply too high, and too close, in relation to Frazier's head:



We seem to be looking at different Fraziers in W1! To replicate the actual relationship of BL and BWF in W1, why not simply put BL down on step 1?

Alan, thank you for your observations- I fully agree. However, if Lovelady is on the landing he is too tall. If on step 6 he is too short. Goldilocks tells us we are seeing the process of Lovelady taking that step. Please compare this animation with your frame showing the line connecting Frazier's chin area to Lovelady's top of head. That frame is rotated some and has aspect issues, but not so much as to change the results.


p.s.
I'm  sorry Alan. I still have Frazier where I've had him for some time. Overlays of your frame with Frazier's head with my renderings basically fit where I place him. Will you please give me your reason for thinking him so far off?

[Barry Pollard]

James,
Billy's big lean in Altgens is to his left, not forward(did you say, you had trouble replicating that in your models? If so don't worry).
Anyway, his legs would not be and are not visible from Ike's position(but again no big).

Regarding the possible morth.
Altgens to Wstep6 was what I was requesting because I don't see the difference in Lovelady and Shelly in W1 and Altgens,
that is, it looks about the same to me, can you persuade me otherwise?

Also for Alan's benefit, perhaps you should do a close up of BL's and BWF's heads in the images and your model so we can see what the difference/trouble is.
I was looking at PMvBL in your latest post and they seem to line up with Wiegman only when Lovelady is about to hit the 6th step,
if you brought BWF forward in that frame that might be a match all around(I'm restricted to plain eyeballing it atm, don't expect any sudden overlays).

[James Hackerott]

James,
Billy's big lean in Altgens is to his left, not forward(did you say, you had trouble replicating that in your models? If so don't worry).
Anyway, his legs would not be and are not visible from Ike's position(but again no big).

Regarding the possible morth.
Altgens to Wstep6 was what I was requesting because I don't see the difference in Lovelady and Shelly in W1 and Altgens,
that is, it looks about the same to me, can you persuade me otherwise?

Also for Alan's benefit, perhaps you should do a close up of BL's and BWF's heads in the images and your model so we can see what the difference/trouble is.
I was looking at PMvBL in your latest post and they seem to line up with Wiegman only when Lovelady is about to hit the 6th step,
if you brought BWF forward in that frame that might be a match all around(I'm restricted to plain eyeballing it atm, don't expect any sudden overlays).

Hey Barry,
Thanks for those clarifications. I'll respond in reverse of your comments.

I looked at Alan's Frazier image and shifted him 3? eastward so he is closer to the vertical door frame as seen in Wiegman and will leave him there.

I made a morph of the Altgens to W1 but its not a good presentation because much of the view is blocked by plaza objects. I did make a fly-by morph of the doorway as seen from the Elm Extension. I hope that gives a view to your liking.

As for the leftward lean that helps, but does not work just on its own. But combining a leftward lean of about 10deg with a forward bend of about 31deg gives a favorable Altgens and W1 view IMO. All on the landing. It also solves Alan's observation of Frazier's approximate chin level with BL.
201808081603 Altgens to W1 BL focus

[Barry Pollard]

Man that is some fantastic looking work, thank you kindly James.
Now let me try and take it all in...
Ok, like you said it's not exactly what I was after but right now who cares?  Love it and that lean is really working.

[Rick Plant]

Hi James,

Thanks for all the detailed work you put into this animation, it gives everybody an excellent view of everything. This thread ahouid have more views and more activity.     

[Dan O'meara]

Hi James,

Thanks for all the detailed work you put into this animation, it gives everybody an excellent view of everything. This thread ahouid have more views and more activity.   

Agreed.
Animation like this is way beyond me but it's great to see researchers striving together towards a common goal.
Wish I could contribute.
Keep up the good work guys.