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John Newman on Veciana
W. Tracy Parnell:
This is my report on the Newman video presentation regarding Veciana for those who are not inclined to watch the entire video:
http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2018/07/john-newman-on-veciana.html
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: W. Tracy Parnell on July 26, 2018, 02:28:26 PM ---This is my report on the Newman video presentation regarding Veciana for those who are not inclined to watch the entire video:
http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2018/07/john-newman-on-veciana.html
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By September of 1959 - when Veciana alleges he first met Bishop/Phillips - the situation in Cuba was getting dicey. Castro had expropriated the land and property of Cubans earlier that year - he would take US property the next year - and had executed hundreds if not thousands of opponents. It was clear where Castro was headed and it wasn't in the direction of democracy.
If Newman is correct that Phillip's CIA cover was getting tenuous/weak by 1959, then why would he meet openly with Veciana in the middle of the day at the national bank owned by Julio Lobo, a noted opponent of Castro's? Isn't that what cutouts are for? Anti-Castro Lobo. Middle of the day. At the bank? In person? Really? And recruiting, Veciana, a bank accountant with no military background?
Sure, even smart people do dumb things. We can't dismiss the account simply because it seems stupid. But this is beyond dumb.
W. Tracy Parnell:
--- Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on July 26, 2018, 06:51:05 PM ---By September of 1959 - when Veciana alleges he first met Bishop/Phillips - the situation in Cuba was getting dicey. Castro had expropriated the land and property of Cubans earlier that year - he would take US property the next year - and had executed hundreds if not thousands of opponents. It was clear where Castro was headed and it wasn't in the direction of democracy.
If Newman is correct that Phillip's CIA cover was getting tenuous/weak by 1959, then why would he meet openly with Veciana in the middle of the day at the national bank owned by Julio Lobo, a noted opponent of Castro's? Isn't that what cutouts are for? Anti-Castro Lobo. Middle of the day. At the bank? In person? Really? And recruiting, Veciana, a bank accountant with no military background?
Sure, even smart people do dumb things. We can't dismiss the account simply because it seems stupid. But this is beyond dumb.
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I agree Steve. I look forward to Newman's book and it will be interesting to check his sources. But it looks like this is another nail in the coffin for Veciana. I think researchers will be examining his story for years to come trying to figure out what his game is. I think that he created the Bishop character to avoid prosecution for any illegal acts he might have committed during his time as an anti-Castro activist. He was surprised to find all the interest that the story generated and went along with it through the years changing it as needed. Of course, Bishop may have been based on one or more individuals that he worked with or simply been an imaginary character. It is also possible Phillips, or a subordinate, was Bishop but I believe Veciana embellished quite a bit, especially the part about seeing Oswald which was the gold nugget he used to attract attention.
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: W. Tracy Parnell on July 26, 2018, 07:54:33 PM ---
I agree Steve. I look forward to Newman's book and it will be interesting to check his sources. But it looks like this is another nail in the coffin for Veciana. I think researchers will be examining his story for years to come trying to figure out what his game is. I think that he created the Bishop character to avoid prosecution for any illegal acts he might have committed during his time as an anti-Castro activist. He was surprised to find all the interest that the story generated and went along with it through the years changing it as needed. Of course, Bishop may have been based on one or more individuals that he worked with or simply been an imaginary character. It is also possible Phillips, or a subordinate, was Bishop but I believe Veciana embellished quite a bit, especially the part about seeing Oswald which was the gold nugget he used to attract attention.
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Yes, I'm especially interested in what Newman has on Phillip's activities in Cuba around the time in question, i.e., 1959 and 1960. If it's true - as he says - that Phillips' cover was "weak" then recruiting anti-Castro people in the middle of the day seems, let's say, "problematic."
Newman is quite adept at ferreting out information. His problem is, it seems to me, the conclusions he makes about that material. His account of Oswald in Mexico City is just not very convincing.
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: W. Tracy Parnell on July 26, 2018, 02:28:26 PM ---This is my report on the Newman video presentation regarding Veciana for those who are not inclined to watch the entire video:
http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2018/07/john-newman-on-veciana.html
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Tracy, did you read/see this review of Veciana's book by Dan Hardway? Hardway worked with Lopez on the HSCA and helped compile the so-called Lopez report on Oswald's activity in Mexico City.
Hardway believes in the "stop WWIII theory" behind the investigation. That is Phillips set up Oswald to take the blame for the assassination and that a major component of this plan was to send him, Oswald, to Mexico City and connect him with Cuba through the visa request (Hardway is wrong: Oswald sought a transit visa not a permanent one).
Then, Phillips et al. (whoever that was) killed JFK. When the government investigated the assassination - and Oswald's activities - it led back to Cuba and the USSR and out of a fear of a war the investigation was essentially halted. The "real" assassins of JFK weren't found.
It's here: https://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/
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