What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"

[Richard Smith]

    You forget to include Motorcycle Officer Hargis riding on the (L) Rear of the JFK Limo. And SA Clint Hill almost directly behind the rear of the Limo. You seem to think that Hole in the rear of JFK's head should have acted like the barrel of a canon. Some of the drawings I have seen regarding this Hole show it to be emulsed. Somewhat along the lines of a gun barrel that has exploded. This might explain blood/brain matter being dispersed every which way. Also, Josiah Thompson postulated 2 shots striking almost simultaneously.
   

Maybe follow your own advice and study up on the subject instead of embarrassing yourself.

[Michael T. Griffith]

    Guys like Kellerman were approaching retirement. They know what happens to a pension when an individual gets a wild hair up their arse and bucks the system.  Same goes for SA Clint Hill. I have trouble accepting anything he says when he continues peddling the narrative that the JFK Limo did NOT STOP at any point on its' journey to Parkland Hospital. CT's and LN's alike KNOW the JFK Limo did STOP at some point before reaching Parkland.

It's not an all-or-nothing situation. The fact that Kellerman denied the limo stop makes his statement that there had to be more than three shots all the more compelling because he was contradicting a kay aspect of the official version.

Kellerman had a vested interest in denying the limo stop, since he was in command of the limo. He should have screamed bloody murder at Greer when Greer started to slow the limo after at least one shot had been fired and heard. If Kellerman had admitted that Greer stopped or markedly slowed the car, he would have had to explain why he, Kellerman, did not immediately order Greer accelerate the split-second he noticed the car was slowing down.

For that matter, Kellerman should have immediately jumped over the back seat and shielded JFK with his body as soon as he heard the first shot--this was his specified duty in the event of gunfire. Special Agent Youngblood did exactly this in LBJ's car as soon as he heard a shot--he vaulted over the back seat, covered LBJ with his own body, and yelled at everyone in the car to get down. Kellerman did none of these things.

[Jim Hawthorn]

The flurry of shells is connected to the head shot.
It is explained by the bullet that hit JFK's head fragmenting. A number of these fragments peppered the inside of the front of the limo, cracking the windshield and denting the chrome trim.

That looks more than a dent to me. That fat circular shape looks like an entire bullet is lodged in there, not an angular fragment. Thus, it couldn't have come from Oswald's rifle.

There is the Hickey theory of course (which I'm not a fan of) and Walt Cakebread had this to say about it a couple of years ago:

"The dent on the chrome molding above the rear view mirror was created by a slow moving projectile while the damage to JFK's head appears to have been caused by a high velocity projectile.   IOW ...   TWO different weapons .... And I believe the high velocity weapon was fired from in front of the Lincoln. ( one of the high velocity bullets hit JFK in the throat)

But I want to stress the point that the dent in the chrome molding appears to have been created by a slow moving heavy ( low velocity, subsonic) bullet. It definitely was NOT created by a light weight piece of a 6.5mm bullet.  The dent in he chrome appears to have been created by a 45 caliber bullet....( the diameter is the correct size)    It's no secret that the 45 caliber cartridge is not a high velocity cartridge, and the big heavy projectile ( .451" dia.  - 185 grain)  leaves the muzzle of the 45 pistol at near subsonic velocity so it is easily silenced with a muzzle muffler ( Silencer) Therefore the discharge of a weapon equipped with a silencer would be inaudible.  The big slow moving .45 caliber bullet has poor penetrating ability ( like the bowling ball) but it packs one hell of a wallop!....

Bottom line....The dent in the chrome molding was created by a silencer equipped .45 caliber weapon, fired from behind."
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[Royell Storing]

It's not an all-or-nothing situation. The fact that Kellerman denied the limo stop makes his statement that there had to be more than three shots all the more compelling because he was contradicting a kay aspect of the official version.

Kellerman had a vested interest in denying the limo stop, since he was in command of the limo. He should have screamed bloody murder at Greer when Greer started to slow the limo after at least one shot had been fired and heard. If Kellerman had admitted that Greer stopped or markedly slowed the car, he would have had to explain why he, Kellerman, did not immediately order Greer accelerate the split-second he noticed the car was slowing down.

For that matter, Kellerman should have immediately jumped over the back seat and shielded JFK with his body as soon as he heard the first shot--this was his specified duty in the event of gunfire. Special Agent Youngblood did exactly this in LBJ's car as soon as he heard a shot--he vaulted over the back seat, covered LBJ with his own body, and yelled at everyone in the car to get down. Kellerman did none of these things.

    I'm not gonna make excuses for SA Kellerman, but that metal support beam that ran directly behind and above him would have severely restricted his moving to the rear of the JFK Limo. Also, Kellerman would have had to of maneuvered his way around the Connally jump seat. SA Youngblood had none of these restrictions between him and LBJ. That said, I do believe it is ridiculous that roughly 14 SS Agents were on hand and NONE of them fired a shot or remained inside Dealey Plaza to hunt down the shooter. Yet these are the same guys that are supposed to, "take one for the President". How does one do that when they flee from the firefight at roughly 60 MPH?

[Royell Storing]

That looks more than a dent to me. That fat circular shape looks like an entire bullet is lodged in there, not an angular fragment. Thus, it couldn't have come from Oswald's rifle.

There is the Hickey theory of course (which I'm not a fan of) and Walt Cakebread had this to say about it a couple of years ago:

"The dent on the chrome molding above the rear view mirror was created by a slow moving projectile while the damage to JFK's head appears to have been caused by a high velocity projectile.   IOW ...   TWO different weapons .... And I believe the high velocity weapon was fired from in front of the Lincoln. ( one of the high velocity bullets hit JFK in the throat)

But I want to stress the point that the dent in the chrome molding appears to have been created by a slow moving heavy ( low velocity, subsonic) bullet. It definitely was NOT created by a light weight piece of a 6.5mm bullet.  The dent in he chrome appears to have been created by a 45 caliber bullet....( the diameter is the correct size)    It's no secret that the 45 caliber cartridge is not a high velocity cartridge, and the big heavy projectile ( .451" dia.  - 185 grain)  leaves the muzzle of the 45 pistol at near subsonic velocity so it is easily silenced with a muzzle muffler ( Silencer) Therefore the discharge of a weapon equipped with a silencer would be inaudible.  The big slow moving .45 caliber bullet has poor penetrating ability ( like the bowling ball) but it packs one hell of a wallop!....

Bottom line....The dent in the chrome molding was created by a silencer equipped .45 caliber weapon, fired from behind."
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    With respect to the possible "high velocity" weapon that was fired from the Front: (1) The moving of the picket fence by several feet, and (2) The tall train cars that were also sitting on High Ground need to be taken into consideration.
    That Train Yard remains an area that was NOT extensively filmed/photo'd and researched. I consistently have heard about the 3 Tramps that were discovered inside a Box Car. Yet, the only images I have seen inside that train yard are of PASSENGER CARS and a caboose. Where was this mysterious 3 Tramps BOX CAR located and what did it look like? And again, that is Not Officer Haygood guarding those Passenger Cars on the Darnell/Martin Films. Officer Haygood could Not have possibly covered all the ground he did and still be back at his motorcycle to make his Documented 12:35 radio transmission.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

What did SS agent Roy Kellerman mean when he testified that a flurry of shells came into Kennedy's limousine?

Mr. SPECTER. As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your right hand is up with the finger at the ear level as if clutching from the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the position you pictured there?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating on his left side.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right; just like I am here.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean, correct, left side?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Correct; yes, sir. Governor Connally by that time is lying flat backwards into her lap-- Mrs. Connally--and she was lying flat over him.


LATER in his testimony he referred to a flurry of shots...

Mr. SPECTER. Now, did President Kennedy say anything beside, "My God, I am hit."
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is the last words he said, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Did Mrs. Kennedy say anything at that specific time?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, there was an awful lot of confusion in that back seat. She did a lot of talking which I can't recall all the phrases.
Mr. SPECTER. Well, pinpoint--
Mr. KELLERMAN. But after the flurry of shots, I recall her saying, "What are they doing to you?" Now again, of course, my comparison of the voice of her speech--certainly, I have heard it many times, and in the car there was conversation she was carrying on through shock, I am sure.


Is this evidence of a conspiracy??

What Kellerman meant was this.
Kellerman & Co did not know what would come out of the investigation/commission etc.
Kellerman knew that Hickey had fired an auto burst.
Kellerman knew that Kellerman would/could look silly (worse than silly) if he simply denied the auto burst.
So, Kellerman hedged his bet, he gave them some ambiguous info that could in the end be interpreted as a semi-acknowledgement re Hickey's auto burst.

[Jim Hawthorn]

    With respect to the possible "high velocity" weapon that was fired from the Front: (1) The moving of the picket fence by several feet, and (2) The tall train cars that were also sitting on High Ground need to be taken into consideration.
    That Train Yard remains an area that was NOT extensively filmed/photo'd and researched. I consistently have heard about the 3 Tramps that were discovered inside a Box Car. Yet, the only images I have seen inside that train yard are of PASSENGER CARS and a caboose. Where was this mysterious 3 Tramps BOX CAR located and what did it look like? And again, that is Not Officer Haygood guarding those Passenger Cars on the Darnell/Martin Films. Officer Haygood could Not have possibly covered all the ground he did and still be back at his motorcycle to make his Documented 12:35 radio transmission.

OK, but what about that flattened and what looks like a whole bullet in the chrome trim?