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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2024, 04:24:26 PM »
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Paul McBrearty: Rosemary Willis appears to be reacting to the first shot circa z142, evidenced by her rapid head turn to the right toward the Book Depository.

...or her mother shouting "Rosemary!! Get back here!!"

When Rosemary Willis became an adult and was asked about her reaction in the Zapruder film, she said she stopped and turned because she heard a loud bang.

She begins to noticeably slow down between Z162 and Z174, and she is standing still by no later than Z187. "Circa Z142" seems a little bit early to me, though certainly not implausible. I think this shot was probably fired between Z145 and Z155.

Not only does Connally show a violent reaction, the right side of Connally's jacket forcefully thrusts forward, you know the same jacket side which has a hole in it! Oops! JohnM

This is timeworn, debunked nonsense. And this regurgitated nonsense doesn't even address JFK's and Jackie's pre-Z207 reactions, Jackie's Z222-224 reaction, JFK's being jolted forward in Z226, and the slamming down of Connally's right shoulder in Z238.

Connally's jacket is not "forcefully thrust forward" but bunches outward as a natural result of his turning his head and upper body. As Connally himself explained, in Z224 he is turning his head and upper body back to the left after having turned to the right to see try to see JFK, so of course the right side of his coat is going to bunch outward a bit as a result of his having turned sharply to his right. And note that the right side of his jacket is flat and normal again in Z228 because his shoulders are virtually parallel with the limo's roll bar.

And never mind that Connally himself--you know, the guy who actually experienced the wounding--said he was certain he was not hit before Z228, right? He said this after carefully studying high-quality color prints of the Zapruder frames with a high-powered magnification loupe. But, nah, never mind that, right? He was "mistaken," because you and other WC apologists know his reactions better than he did!

You people are just amazing in your refusal to acknowledge visible, observable reality because that reality destroys your theory of the shooting.

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
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Offline Jim Hawthorn

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2024, 06:02:35 PM »
When Rosemary Willis became an adult and was asked about her reaction in the Zapruder film, she said she stopped and turned because she heard a loud bang.

OK. Ta. Thumb1:

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2024, 06:36:12 PM »
OK. Ta. Thumb1:
Willis gave more details in the story that can be read here: https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3899.msg154068.html#msg154068

She said she heard three shots and that all came from direction of the TSBD. But she insisted that "someone with a silencer" could have been the one who killed JFK and that "Oswald was up there as clear as could be. I think he was up there on purpose to make people think he was the one."

"Up there to make people think he was the one"? And he would do this why?

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2024, 06:36:12 PM »


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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2024, 06:48:22 PM »
So, we have the shot heard by some people as the limo turned onto Elm + the shot that stopped Rosemary in her tracks.
Two audible shots before the magic bullet.

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2024, 08:30:43 PM »
Thanks, Gerry. Look at this enhanced version of the Zapruder film depicting Rosemary Willis's slow-motion movements. As one can see, she turned her head toward the Texas School Book Depository, a movement which she commenced at approximately z142; her face is in shadow. In my opinion, it is evident from this video that at no time is "the light flesh tone on Rosemary's face faded or by glare or had blurred to white for a frame or two in the z140s." I also contend that Miss Willis is looking toward the Depository as early as circa z142, an action she undertook possibly in response to her hearing the first shot, which may have occurred a fraction of a second before z142. One must not overlook this action by Miss Willis with regard to the number and timing of shots. It is imperative from a historical point of view.

It's difficult for me to determine whether and when she turns her head to watch/see the limo as she's running and/or whether and when it's because of the gunshot. Wouldn't she stop when hearing the gunshot? But she's running (slowing down along the way) and turning her head at the same time.

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Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2024, 09:37:15 PM »
Pseudo Z105 (shot-1) to Z133 is 28 frames, which is 1.48 sec based on 27 frames (based on needing 1 frame to reach the ears).
So, Willis  would have had a voluntary reaction say at pseudo Z115 (ie 10 frames after shot-1)(well before Z133).
And Willis would have had an involuntary startle reaction say at pseudo Z110 (ie 5 frames after shot-1).

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2024, 05:34:50 PM »
Thanks, Jerry. Look at this enhanced version of the Zapruder film depicting Rosemary Willis's slow-motion movements. As one can see, she turned her head toward the Texas School Book Depository, a movement which she commenced at approximately z142; her face is in shadow. In my opinion, it is evident from this video that at no time is "the light flesh tone on Rosemary's face faded or by glare or had blurred to white for a frame or two in the z140s." I also contend that Miss Willis is looking toward the Depository as early as circa z142, an action she undertook possibly in response to her hearing the first shot, which may have occurred a fraction of a second before z142. One must not overlook this action by Miss Willis with regard to the number and timing of shots. It is imperative from a historical point of view.

The only way the video you referenced is "enhanced" is through extreme contrast and color shifts.

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2024, 06:46:05 PM »
  Watched an old Jack White video on "You Tube" the other day. Jack had some screwy JFK Assassination ideas during his time, but on this video he made a solid but simple Z Film observation addressing this same segment of the film. He wondered why we see a Bee Hive of activity on the (S) side of Elm St, (Willis kid running/stopping, Old Man Willis stepping from Elm St back onto the curb, Bob Croft lowering his camera from his face, the Old Woman wildly waving her handkerchief at JFK, etc, but all the people stretching down the (N) side of Elm St are almost stock still throughout this same period of time. This is an extremely strange Z Film contrast.
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