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Robert Reeves:
--- Quote from: Richard Rubio on August 05, 2018, 03:41:24 AM ---All of that doesn't dispel the hokey story given about the killing of Officer Tippit that White relays.
As for Ed Lansdale? Let's see some proof.
Max Boot wrote a book on Lansdale, "The Road Not Taken":
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=03LP0AKOeLw
Article on Max Boot and his book on Lansdale: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/max-boot-resurrects-the-lansdale-legend/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lansdale
Really, some of what the CTs say is just slander. By the way, Boot mentions this briefly in the video.
Some real evidence is needed.
And Boot, I don't really agree with a lot of what he says but he is seen as a major columnist nowadays, born in Moscow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Boot
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot
Nothing to tie Lansdale to the JFK assassination except some picture of the back of a guy's head. Watch the video and find out more about Lansdale and then, contemplate, could he have been indeed involved?
Tippit wasn't alone when he was shot? Right. Also, there is an airport named after one of the Dulles', Washington DC; Lansdale was in the CIA and a higher up, I guess, at some point he must have known the Dulles'. Another so-what?
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//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg2-5NzVdoQ
at 1:33 of the video, above, a man asks the panel, including Fletcher Prouty, he asks ''I heard Mark Lane say, not only was George Bush director of the CIA, but as far back as 1963, and even beyond, he was a member of the CIA -- I would like any of the panelist to confirm what Mark Lane said based on what they know. And be specific." -- At which point John Judge chimes in with the story of the documents mentioning a George Bush of the CIA, one an FBI memo mentioning a G Bush of the CIA debriefing anti-Castro Cubans in Miami, the other document mentioned George Bush grassing on someone in the Republican party called Parrot. And lastly Judge mentions the ships used in the Bay Of Pigs raid, the ships, which he says directly link Bush to the CIA, due to the names of the ships - Zapata - Barbara - Houston.
Notice Col.Prouty doesn't say a word. In other instances, Prouty has revealed, during his role as the Chief of Clandestine Ops, he was the purchaser of those ships. That he supplied the CIA with the ships for the mission.
--- Quote ---To Jeff Orr
RE: The names of the ships used in the Bay of Pigs operation that were named for the BUSH family.
I was asked to locate three transport vessels to support the Bay of Pigs landing.I was able to get them and sent them to a U.S. Navy base in North Carolina where they were prepared for that operation. In the process they were painted and then given the names: HOUSTON, ZAPATA,and BARBABA. The name Houston was where Bush's business was. Zapata was trhe name of his oil company. Barbra was the name of his wife. Whoever selected those names certainly knew Geroge Bush in 1960.
L. Fletcher Prouty
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Here (below) is a reply from Col.Prouty to a question asked on his own website's letters section re Bush/CIA -- https://www.prouty.org/email.html
So of all the people in the room you might think, Col.Prouty, his role as CIA liaison officer at the Pentagon, Chief of special ops/Clandestine ops, he had knowledge of Bush being, whether real, or not,in the CIA prior to his role as Director in the mid 70s.
the Houston sinking
So why didn't Col.Prouty come forth with the information at this televised debate, but was forthcoming and open and honest on his website in the late 90s re his strange dealings with the CIA/possibly Bush.Why wasn't it deemed worthy of public knowledge then, when Bush Snr was a public servant still running for President. I can see there might have been deniability built into the mission and Prouty never knew of Bush Sr's involvement, but really, I doubt it. Prouty taught Bush Snr at Yale.
These, supposedly, ex CIA/OSS operatives, are tricky customers. They're always going to be loyal to the CIA/IC community, to their comrades. Always skirting with the truths, if asked a direct question, or like Prouty, prepared to keep their mouth shut when in position to shed light upon the situation at hand. Prouty was shown the Tramps photos by Sprague, he much later on revealed to immediately noticed Lansdale - he noticed it was Lansdale but said nothing to Sprague. Prouty told only two people connected with JFK research that he'd spotted Landale in the tramp photo, Mae Brussell, and Jim Garrison. Prouty waited until 1985 to send out the tramp photo to various people who knew Lansdale to ID him.The letter from Krulak identifying Lansdale is dated 1985, Lansdale died in 1987.
I've been following (not too creepily) Max Boot and what he's said about Lansdale. I noted he praised Gen.Krulak, but fails to mention Krulak also identified Lansdale from the tramp photo. Maybe he doesn't know?
Richard Rubio:
See, even before I came to this forum, I found a number of things Prouty said had been debunked. I read that elsewhere, even though MacAdams has his essays on it, why just cut and paste what MacAdams wrote?
I do know, just two Fridays ago, I heard Jesse Venture in an interview with 830 WCCO ( https://wccoradio.radio.com/ ) say, "well, the Bay of Pigs had a ship called the Barbara", http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/prouty.htm But MacAdams writes, that ship was the "Barbara J.", Barbara Bush was Barbara Pierce, her wikipedia bio lists no middle name. So, I know some of this has been covered. Ventura seems to be a good man as well. That is not to say, all of what he says is always conclusive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bush WCCO archives many of their interviews but I do not know for how long. Many radio stations archive but just for a short time. Jesse had a lot of things to say and on balance, I'd say good things.
Richard Rubio:
Lansdale and his big class ring... on the left finger, okay, I'll give you that the pictures of him as an older man might have seen him remove it for some reason but I see just as much of a case for all photos put together, that there was not a conspicuously large class ring. Having said that, we need more pictures.
This one, the ring finger is not clearly visible but one can not see anything all the same.
Nothing to be seen here, one could argue that the ring finger of the left hand is visible but not the ring:
Click to enlarge.
With his Philippine sweetheart:
Love to see this big ring Prouty spoke of.
Robert Reeves:
--- Quote from: Richard Rubio on August 05, 2018, 04:56:48 PM ---
Love to see this big ring Prouty spoke of.
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This is as good as I've got to seeing Lansdale wearing a 'big class ring' and it's pretty poor. I took a screenshot from Oliver Stones Untold History series. This flashed up on the screen and I spotted the ring. It's just about visible. I'd guess Lansdale is in his twenties in this pic.
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Barry Pollard on August 04, 2018, 02:20:51 AM ---White's price? $750k.
http://dperry1943.com/ctkawhite.html
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I see a claim on that webpage. Is there any evidence that it's true? A quote from Stone? Anything?
How big was Bugliosi's advance for Rewriting History?
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