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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2018, 04:19:07 PM »
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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2018, 05:43:10 PM »
You might think so but you'd be wrong.

How so? We kind of go round and round with unsupported allegations If you could provide rationale for your proclamations I would appreciate it

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2018, 05:56:34 PM »
How so? We kind of go round and round with unsupported allegations If you could provide rationale for your proclamations I would appreciate it

It's just not.  Most witness time recollections were not very accurate at all.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2018, 10:12:18 PM »
Quote from: Matt Grantham on Today at 02:33:13 AM

    The assassination would be great time stamp for most people

You might think so but you'd be wrong.

Agree..not everyone in and around the TSBD knew what had happened when it happened.
There is a film where a guy walks away from the front steps of the building and looks puzzled [like what just occurred?]
I believe he was none other than Lee Harvey Oswald ...can't see the face too well but from the back...shirt, hair, walk, body shape sure does appear very very similar......
Appears at 6:25 in the video.


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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2018, 10:20:45 PM »
Garner never saw Styles and Adams going down the stairs.

Just like you don't have to see it rain, to know that it has rained when everything outside is wet, Garner doesn't have to actually see them going down the stairs to know that they have left the floor and thus have gone down the stairs.


It's just not.  Most witness time recollections were not very accurate at all.


That may be but the timing is provided by Garner's observation that she saw Truly and Baker come up after the girls went down. No time recollection involved in that one.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2018, 10:33:01 PM »
Just like you don't have to see it rain, to know that it has rained when everything outside is wet, Garner doesn't have to actually see them going down the stairs to know that they have left the floor and thus have gone down the stairs.

Kinda like Dirty Harvey* entering the TT

*Smith, Wesson, and Lee
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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 01:50:14 AM »
Just like you don't have to see it rain, to know that it has rained when everything outside is wet, Garner doesn't have to actually see them going down the stairs to know that they have left the floor and thus have gone down the stairs.

Just because everything outside is wet doesn't mean that it rained.

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That may be but the timing is provided by Garner's observation that she saw Truly and Baker come up after the girls went down. No time recollection involved in that one.

The timing provided by "Garner's observation" doesn't fit. It has Baker and Truly reaching the fourth floor much later than they did.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: The missing witness on Book Depository Stairway
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2018, 02:47:02 AM »
Ah this nugget from you Tim  ;)

What you didn't mention was that there were THREE versions of her WC testimony.

All her changes that she made on that document were NOT incorporated in the published WC volumes HOWEVER the changes made by Mr Belin WERE.

How do you explain that one Tim?

Further, the original stenographic notes and recordings of Adams, Lovelady and Shelley are GONE from the NA. Coincidence?

Why did she even see her WC testimony when she said this?

Mr. BELIN - Miss ADAMS, you have the opportunity if you would like, to read this deposition and sign it before it goes to Washington, or you can waive the signing of it and just let the court reporter send it directly to us. Do you have any preference?
Miss ADAMS - I think I will let you use your own discretion.
Mr. BELIN - It doesn't make any difference to us. If it doesn't make any difference, we can waive it and you won't have to make another trip down here.
Miss ADAMS - That is all right.

Hence, WTF (likely) Mr Belin paying a visit with her WC transcript at her work for?

However, it actually was fortuitous because we have the Stroud document as a result where CLEARLY it supported her version of events.

Unbelievable that Mr David Belin simply couldn't work out her (and Sandra's) timing down the NW stairwell.

There was only one version that she notated and signed. That's the one that matters here.

I don't feel compelled to explain why her corrections were ignored by the Warren Commission.