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I doubt if they "shoved" the boxes -- you're so dramatic sometimes. Hee hee. Crazy old coot.

Moving that floor box would make the rifle tip over and upset the evidence scene even further. Maybe damage the scope or rifle.

Moving that floor box would make the rifle tip over and upset the evidence scene even further. Maybe damage the scope or rifle.


I don't think it's necessary to post Tom Alyea's film again, to show you that the rifle WAS lying on it's right side with the leather sling uppermost when Day reached out and grabbed the sling.   

It could not have been lying there if it had been sandwiched between the boxes as you believe.


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Moving that floor box would make the rifle tip over and upset the evidence scene even further. Maybe damage the scope or rifle.


I don't think it's necessary to post Tom Alyea's film again, to show you that the rifle WAS lying on it's right side with the leather sling uppermost when Day reached out and grabbed the sling.  

It could not have been lying there if it had been sandwiched between the boxes as you believe.

It's been shown to you that the part captured by Alyea didn't show how Day first picked up the rilfe. The way it's drawn on the map is as an icon, not literal.



If literal, then the gap where the rifle lay was a foot wide.


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Here's some of Weitzman's testimony:

BALL - I have three pictures here which I have marked, respectively, D, E, F. I show you D first. Does that look anything like the location where you found the gun?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; this is taken the opposite side the flat I was looking under.
Mr. BALL - Looking from the top side of this picture?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Well, I would be looking over--Boone was looking the top side; I was looking under the flat. We were looking over everything. I was behind this section of books. I believe there were more books in here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - What do you mean "in here"?
Mr. WEITZMAN - In this area [indicating] because at the time we found the gun there were no boxes protruding over the gun.
Mr. BALL - In this area, you mean protruding over the gun?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; it was more hidden than there.
Mr. BALL - I show you the picture marked E. Does that look anything like the area where the gun was found?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; it does.
Mr. BALL - I show you the picture marked F. Is that another picture of the same area?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; as well as I remember, the gun was right in here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Would you mind making a mark there with a pen? That is on F. Draw on Exhibit F, draw an arrow. The arrow in ink on F shows the location?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Down on the floor.
Mr. BALL - Shows the location of the gun on the floor?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Was there anything between the place the gun was found; were there any boxes between where the gun was found and the stairway?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; there was a row of boxes between the stairway and the gun because we came up the stairway and we couldn't help but see it if it was in the open.
Mr. BALL - Take E here and make a mark on E as to the location of the place where the gun was found.
Mr. WEITZMAN - Same area.
Mr. BALL - The same area and the arrow marks the place where the gun was found?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir/
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Weitzman saying "at the time we found the gun there were no boxes protruding over the gun" would support your claim the two upper boxes in Studebaker's in situ photos should not have been over the gap.

Would help to track down those exhibits so we can see exactly what he's referring to.


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It's been shown to you that the part captured by Alyea didn't show how Day first picked up the rilfe. The way it's drawn on the map is as an icon, not literal.



If literal, then the gap where the rifle lay was a foot wide.


I didn't think it necessary to post the Alyea clip again  but apparently you will continue to lie and deny that the rifle was three feet further south and lying on it's side with the sling uppermost  when Day picked it up off the floor.

stop the action and get your head out and LOOK at the 0:45  --  0:46  -- 0:47 points of the clip ....It's clear that the rifle was lying there with the leather sling up....and if you look over Days shoulder you can see the boxes where the liars claimed the rifle was found.....
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At 00:47 The rifle is upside down....he scope is clearly visible BENEATH the rifle .......

If the rifle had been wedged between boxes it could not have rotated 180 degrees.......  Indeed the video clearly shows Day lifting the rifle by the sling and the rifle rotates about 50 degrees clockwise as Day lifts the rifle ......Since Day has grasped the sling near the butt of the rifle, the weight of the rifle is forward of that point and the muzzle stays in contact with the floor as he lifts.   When he has raised the butt 45 inches the rifle hangs free and it is vertical as he turns to Fritz....

At the 1:29 point there is a better copy of the clip that clearly shows Lt Day grasping the sling in his left hand as he lifts the butt of the rifle off the floor.


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It's been shown to you that the part captured by Alyea didn't show how Day first picked up the rilfe. The way it's drawn on the map is as an icon, not literal.



If literal, then the gap where the rifle lay was a foot wide.


If literal, then the gap where the rifle lay was a foot wide.

Yes....the gap was wide enough to allow the rifle to lay on it's side......which would have required a space of about 8 inches.....

I'm now even more certain that the extant  "in situ" photo is a fake....and the rifle seen in that fake photo is in fact a mauser without a scope.

since the carcano was not available to use to create the fake in situ photo they substituted a mauser but the mauser had no scope mounted so that propped the mauser up in such a way that a box blocked the view of that portion of the mauser.

I'm compelled to speculate about HOW this mauser entered the picture?    There is no doubt that the description of a rifle that Seymour Weitzman allegedly gave to the FBI on Saturday 11/23/63 is the detailed description of a mauser....    What kind of deception and slight of hand were they trying to pull???

Suggestions??


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I didn't think it necessary to post the Alyea clip again  but apparently you will continue to lie and deny that the rifle was three feet further south and lying on it's side with the sling uppermost  when Day picked it up off the floor.

stop the action and get your head out and LOOK at the 0:45  --  0:46  -- 0:47 points of the clip ....It's clear that the rifle was lying there with the leather sling up....and if you look over Days shoulder you can see the boxes where the liars claimed the rifle was found.....
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At 00:47 The rifle is upside down....he scope is clearly visible BENEATH the rifle .......


The rifle is not upside down until Day lifts it by the sling. Before he raises the rifle -- while it's still on the floor -- the scope is to the south. Which means Day (assuming he first saw the rifle in the gap upright) moved the floor box a bit and (hopefully) gently allowed the rifle to slowly fall on its side.

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If the rifle had been wedged between boxes it could not have rotated 180 degrees.......  


Yep. The video shows it on its side. The thing is the video doesn't necessarily show how the rifle was first found. Day moving the floor box wasn't filmed.

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Indeed the video clearly shows Day lifting the rifle by the sling and the rifle rotates about 50 degrees clockwise as Day lifts the rifle ......Since Day has grasped the sling near the butt of the rifle, the weight of the rifle is forward of that point and the muzzle stays in contact with the floor as he lifts.   When he has raised the butt 45 inches the rifle hangs free and it is vertical as he turns to Fritz....

At the 1:29 point there is a better copy of the clip that clearly shows Lt Day grasping the sling in his left hand as he lifts the butt of the rifle off the floor.

 
Photo 22 (23 has the knee)
Photo 18

The floor box was moved from where it was in 22 (the in suti position) to lift the rifle (Alyea photo) and then moved back for 18 (taken later on when the sun was reaching the top of the cartons). They didn't get it exactly right because the floor box is angular to the other boxes in 22 and parallel in 18. The other single floor box might have been moved, too.

Wonder what was keeping the rifle upright in Photo 22/23?


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The rifle is not upside down until Day lifts it by the sling. Before he raises the rifle -- while it's still on the floor -- the scope is to the south. Which means Day (assuming he first saw the rifle in the gap upright) moved the floor box a bit and (hopefully) gently allowed the rifle to slowly fall on its side.

Yep. The video shows it on its side. The thing is the video doesn't necessarily show how the rifle was first found. Day moving the floor box wasn't filmed.

 
Photo 22 (23 has the knee)
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The floor box was moved from where it was in 22 (the in suti position) to lift the rifle (Alyea photo) and then moved back for 18 (taken later on when the sun was reaching the top of the cartons). They didn't get it exactly right because the floor box is angular to the other boxes in 22 and parallel in 24. The other single floor box might have been moved, too.

Wonder what was keeping the rifle upright in Photo 22/23?

Yep. The video shows it on its side. The thing is the video doesn't necessarily show how the rifle was first found. Day moving the floor box wasn't filmed.

There's no doubt that many boxes have been moved before Alyea filmed Day pick up the rifle.....Which contradicts the official story that nothing was touched before the in situ photo was taken.....  

 
Photo 22 (23 has the knee)
Photo 18

Notice the white sheet of paper on the floor in the Alyea film ..... Now notice where that sheet of paper was located.( photo 24)....It's not two feet further north where the waded up paper is seen.....

In the Alyea video the sheet of white paper is on the floor beneath spot where the rifle had been lying before Day picked it up........


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The rifle is not upside down until Day lifts it by the sling. Before he raises the rifle -- while it's still on the floor -- the scope is to the south. Which means Day (assuming he first saw the rifle in the gap upright) moved the floor box a bit and (hopefully) gently allowed the rifle to slowly fall on its side.

Yep. The video shows it on its side. The thing is the video doesn't necessarily show how the rifle was first found. Day moving the floor box wasn't filmed.

 
Photo 22 (23 has the knee)
Photo 18

The floor box was moved from where it was in 22 (the in suti position) to lift the rifle (Alyea photo) and then moved back for 18 (taken later on when the sun was reaching the top of the cartons). They didn't get it exactly right because the floor box is angular to the other boxes in 22 and parallel in 18. The other single floor box might have been moved, too.

Wonder what was keeping the rifle upright in Photo 22/23?

Mr Organ, take a look at the Alyea Video at 1:49 >   Notice where the butt of the rifle is as Fritz holds the rifle.....The row of boxes benath the rifle butt extended east to west and in photos of the area that are allegedly authentic photos those boxes are stacked very neatly......Here is a video clip that was taken at the time and that row of boxes is NOT neatly stacked....  Can you explain??


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