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 on: Today at 04:32:08 AM 
Started by Paul Ernst - Last post by Bill Chapman
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So Chappy no data to process...

That's what I thought.

No content like you brains!!

 LOL.



 

You are cheating the height of the window opening, you have placed it too low. Fix that and get a clue

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 on: Today at 03:48:13 AM 
Started by Paul Ernst - Last post by Jerry Organ
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I am trying to help Paul out by determining when the window was open. What about yourself?


I'm helping you all out by suggesting you reconsidering automatically accepting time stamps on YouTube videos.

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We know that Hill stuck his upper torso out of it but he didn't mention opening the window.


Which is not much proof that he didn't open the window.

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 on: Today at 03:07:45 AM 
Started by Paul Ernst - Last post by Paul Ernst
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I am trying to help Paul out by determining when the window was open. What about yourself?

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We know that Hill stuck his upper torso out of it but he didn't mention opening the window.


Thanks for your help Tony!!
 thumbs1xx

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 on: Today at 02:58:50 AM 
Started by Paul Ernst - Last post by Tony Fratini
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You just affirmed for Paul the window was opened at 12:45:

You must accept Paul's 12:45 YouTube "time stamp".

I am trying to help Paul out by determining when the window was open. What about yourself?

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We know that Hill stuck his upper torso out of it but he didn't mention opening the window.






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 on: Today at 02:44:54 AM 
Started by Paul May - Last post by Mick O'brien
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Milteer gave a generic assassination viewpoint.  Man in building shoots man in car.  That is NOT hard evidence.  You are so desperate for a conspiracy you're not using the scientific method in determining anything. Your bias keeps getting in your way.  It's not all that complicated when you take your bias out of the way.  There is nothing repeat nothing indicating multiple shooters.  Nothing.  I'm done trying to ask you to think logically and not emotionally.  

Going to kill Kennedy, in the works, tall building, high powered rifle, pick up local to throw public off.
I am not biased towards anyone, but the people who Milteer knew as planning all of this, could only be the racist murderers with the motive that Oswald clearly did not have.
I have not mentioned multiple shooters very often in fact I actually believe the magic bullet to be a possibility. Hey while you are at it, can you prove to me the evidence that you have ever asked me to think logically and not emotionally, the links please.

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 on: Today at 02:15:58 AM 
Started by Paul Ernst - Last post by Jerry Organ
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Hill doesn't mention opening the window which was definitely closed at 12.40 pm (time stamped).

Hill would have been at the TSBD around 1 pm, same with Mooney. 

You just affirmed for Paul the window was opened at 12:45:

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Appears to be the case Paul. A bit too early for Hill to be present there?

Would really like to find the witness who saw someone moving boxes on the 6th floor some 5 minutes post assassination.

Can anyone remember the person?


You must accept Paul's 12:45 YouTube "time stamp".

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 on: Today at 02:15:57 AM 
Started by Rob Caprio - Last post by Rob Caprio
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THE WOUND IN THE POSTERIOR SKULL
and the impossibility of the trajectory

An autopsy of the body of the murdered President was performed on the evening of November 22nd, 1963, at the Bethesda Naval Medical Center by Commander James J. Humes M.D. and other physicians. Dr. Humes wrote the autopsy report, submitted into evidence as Commission Exhibit 387. Page 4 of this report states:

Situated in the posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance is a lacerated wound measuring 15 x 6 mm. In the underlying bone is a corresponding wound through the skull which exhibits beveling of the margins of the bone when viewed from the inner aspect of the skull.

And on page 3:

There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

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The external occipital protuberance or EOP is the bony 'bump' on the back of a human skull, just above the spinal cord.



Multiple fracture lines radiated from this small wound near the EOP:

Upon reflecting the scalp multiple complete fracture lines are seen to radiate from the large defect at the vertex and the smaller wound at the occiput.

Sometime during the autopsy, skull bone fragments arrived from Dallas, and the pathologists were able to partially reconstruct the skull.

Received as separate specimens from Dallas, Texas are three fragments of skull bone which in aggregate roughly approximate the dimensions of the large defect described above.

One of these skull fragments contained evidence of a bullet exit wound:

At one angle of the largest of these fragments is a portion of the perimeter of a roughly circular wound presumably of exit which exhibits beveling of the outer aspect of the bone and is estimated to measure approximately 2.5 to 3.0 cm. in diameter.

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The ridiculous ambiguity ('presumably') and the unnecessary inaccuracy ('approximately 2.5 to 3.0 cm.') aside, the autopsy surgeons had located a small wound near the EOP and the evidence of a very large exit wound above and forward of the right ear. Connecting these two wounds was a trail of dust-like, metallic fragments:

Roentgenograms of the skull reveal multiple minute metallic fragments along a line corresponding with a line joining the above described small occipital wound and the right supra-orbital ridge.

Source: same link as above.

The supra-orbital ridge is basically the top of the eye socket:



Based on these findings, the autopsy doctors concluded:

The fatal missile entered the skull above and to the right of the external occipital protuberance. [...] A portion of the projectile made its exit through the parietal bone on the right carrying with it portions of cerebrum, skull and scalp.

Source: same link as above.

Dr. Humes confirmed these conclusions when questioned by Assistant Counsel Arlen Specter of the Warren Commission:

Dr. Humes: The second wound was found in the right posterior portion of the scalp. This wound was situated approximately 2.5 centimeters to the right, and slightly above the external occiptal protuberance which is a bony prominence situated in the posterior portion of everyone's skull. This wound was then 2 1/2 centimeters to the right and slightly above that point.
The third obvious wound at the time of the examination was a huge defect over the right side of the skull. This defect involved both the scalp and the underlying skull, and from the brain substance was protruding.
This wound measured approximately 13 centimeters in greatest diameter. It was difficult to measure accurately because radiating at various points from the large defect were multiple crisscrossing fractures of the skull which extended in several directions.


At this point Specter introduced as evidence a drawing made by Navy enlisted man H.A. ('Skip') Rydberg, based on the verbal description of the President's wounds by Drs. Humes and Boswell - CE 388:



This drawing shows the entrance and exit wounds as described in the autopsy report, and repeated under oath by Dr. Humes before the Warren Commission. It also shows the President's chin was almost touching his chest when the bullet, supposedly fired from above and behind, hit him in the head.

Abraham Zapruder was a Dallas manufacturer of women's dresses and was able to film the entire assassination sequence with his home movie camera. The film clearly shows that at no point was the President's head leaning so far forward as depicted in CE 388. Researcher Pat Speer has made a good comparison picture of it which I will post below:



It is clear that the bullet that - according to the autopsy report - entered near the EOP and exited through the parietal bone could not have been fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Boob Depository Building.

I will continue this discussion but first I have to locate and read some of the medical evidence uncovered by the ARRB.

Until then,
JW







Very good information Joffrey. Thanks.

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 on: Today at 02:10:57 AM 
Started by Rob Caprio - Last post by Jerry Organ
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THE WOUND IN THE POSTERIOR SKULL
and the impossibility of the trajectory

An autopsy of the body of the murdered President was performed on the evening of November 22nd, 1963, at the Bethesda Naval Medical Center by Commander James J. Humes M.D. and other physicians. Dr. Humes wrote the autopsy report, submitted into evidence as Commission Exhibit 387. Page 4 of this report states:

Situated in the posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance is a lacerated wound measuring 15 x 6 mm. In the underlying bone is a corresponding wound through the skull which exhibits beveling of the margins of the bone when viewed from the inner aspect of the skull.

And on page 3:

There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

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The external occipital protuberance or EOP is the bony 'bump' on the back of a human skull, just above the spinal cord.



Multiple fracture lines radiated from this small wound near the EOP:

Upon reflecting the scalp multiple complete fracture lines are seen to radiate from the large defect at the vertex and the smaller wound at the occiput.

Sometime during the autopsy, skull bone fragments arrived from Dallas, and the pathologists were able to partially reconstruct the skull.

Received as separate specimens from Dallas, Texas are three fragments of skull bone which in aggregate roughly approximate the dimensions of the large defect described above.

One of these skull fragments contained evidence of a bullet exit wound:

At one angle of the largest of these fragments is a portion of the perimeter of a roughly circular wound presumably of exit which exhibits beveling of the outer aspect of the bone and is estimated to measure approximately 2.5 to 3.0 cm. in diameter.

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The ridiculous ambiguity ('presumably') and the unnecessary inaccuracy ('approximately 2.5 to 3.0 cm.') aside, the autopsy surgeons had located a small wound near the EOP and the evidence of a very large exit wound above and forward of the right ear. Connecting these two wounds was a trail of dust-like, metallic fragments:

Roentgenograms of the skull reveal multiple minute metallic fragments along a line corresponding with a line joining the above described small occipital wound and the right supra-orbital ridge.

Source: same link as above.

The supra-orbital ridge is basically the top of the eye socket:



Based on these findings, the autopsy doctors concluded:

The fatal missile entered the skull above and to the right of the external occipital protuberance. [...] A portion of the projectile made its exit through the parietal bone on the right carrying with it portions of cerebrum, skull and scalp.

Source: same link as above.

Dr. Humes confirmed these conclusions when questioned by Assistant Counsel Arlen Specter of the Warren Commission:

Dr. Humes: The second wound was found in the right posterior portion of the scalp. This wound was situated approximately 2.5 centimeters to the right, and slightly above the external occiptal protuberance which is a bony prominence situated in the posterior portion of everyone's skull. This wound was then 2 1/2 centimeters to the right and slightly above that point.
The third obvious wound at the time of the examination was a huge defect over the right side of the skull. This defect involved both the scalp and the underlying skull, and from the brain substance was protruding.
This wound measured approximately 13 centimeters in greatest diameter. It was difficult to measure accurately because radiating at various points from the large defect were multiple crisscrossing fractures of the skull which extended in several directions.


At this point Specter introduced as evidence a drawing made by Navy enlisted man H.A. ('Skip') Rydberg, based on the verbal description of the President's wounds by Drs. Humes and Boswell - CE 388:



This drawing shows the entrance and exit wounds as described in the autopsy report, and repeated under oath by Dr. Humes before the Warren Commission. It also shows the President's chin was almost touching his chest when the bullet, supposedly fired from above and behind, hit him in the head.

Abraham Zapruder was a Dallas manufacturer of women's dresses and was able to film the entire assassination sequence with his home movie camera. The film clearly shows that at no point was the President's head leaning so far forward as depicted in CE 388. Researcher Pat Speer has made a good comparison picture of it which I will post below:



It is clear that the bullet that - according to the autopsy report - entered near the EOP and exited through the parietal bone could not have been fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Boob Depository Building.

I will continue this discussion but first I have to locate and read some of the medical evidence uncovered by the ARRB.

Until then,
JW


The HSCA straightened all that out in the 1970s.

Let me ask you why Humes has a measured amount of the distance from the midline to the skull entry wound but no such precision for the distance from the EOP to the wound?

Why did Humes write in the "Military Review":

    "the photographs show the wound to be slightly
     higher than its actually measured site"

,,, when he didn't actually measure the vertical distance of the entry wound to the EOP?

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 on: Today at 02:09:25 AM 
Started by Paul Ernst - Last post by Tony Fratini
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You two suckers believe every time stamp placed on old video that's put up on YouTube?

  rofl3 85

Hill doesn't mention opening the window which was definitely closed at 12.40 pm (time stamped).

Hill would have been at the TSBD around 1 pm, same with Mooney. 

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 on: Today at 02:02:08 AM 
Started by Paul Ernst - Last post by Tony Fratini
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Tony....So we have 12.40 CLOSED and 12.45 hour pm OPEN.





Appears to be the case Paul. A bit too early for Hill to be present there?

Would really like to find the witness who saw someone moving boxes on the 6th floor some 5 minutes post assassination.

Can anyone remember the person?




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