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 April 18, 2009, 01:16:36 AM
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I noticed this second car immediately on looking at Rick's latest gif in the JFK Bonus Materials thread. Given the unknown then and now variables, I am still not convinced that we are not seeing the car as I have illustrated in the other thread. I now see a second darker car near the first white colored car. The shadows coming from the car appear to be consistent with the direction of shadows cast on Nov 22nd 1963. I have made an illustration using the last frame from Rick's animation, which to me appears to show a second car. I'm reminded of the old saying..If it looks like a Duck, Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, then it probably is a Duck. In this case, we appear to have 2 Ducks, neither of them being lame. 
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« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 05:21:48 AM by Duncan MacRae »
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March 17, 2010, 04:46:59 PM
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  Duncan, You're right to ask questions about Hoffman's story. However I'm not so sure there was a nice line of sight from the bridge to the spot where Hoffman says the rifle was dismantled - even if the folks on the bridge had for some reason decided to turn their heads 90 degrees away from the bedlam on the street below. Don't forget those stone elevations were much taller than any man. The steampipe over which the rifle was allegedly tossed may be a different story. FWIW Sean
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March 17, 2010, 06:57:46 PM
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Bill, are you suggesting this photo of yours relates to Ed Hoffman' line of sight?
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March 17, 2010, 07:02:30 PM
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Bill, are you suggesting this photo of yours relates to Ed Hoffman' line of sight?
Rick, that's Foster's view as he runs off the TU, seconds after Z-313.
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March 17, 2010, 09:01:00 PM
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Duncan,
You're right to ask questions about Hoffman's story.
However I'm not so sure there was a nice line of sight from the bridge to the spot where Hoffman says the rifle was dismantled - even if the folks on the bridge had for some reason decided to turn their heads 90 degrees away from the bedlam on the street below. Don't forget those stone elevations were much taller than any man.
The steampipe over which the rifle was allegedly tossed may be a different story.
FWIW
Sean
Hello Sean, It's nice to hear from you again! You and Duncan seem to have forgotten about the two men visible in Bell that would have right there - no questions about the pillars interfering with the view.   Best to you, Jerry
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March 17, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
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Hi Jerry!
You're quite right. Those men would have had a pretty clear line of sight to the alleged rifle-dismantling man - if they had had any particular reason to turn away from the drama down below and take a look that way. Does Bell give any indication that they did?
Hope you're well,
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Sean, I believe you know more about Bell than I do - but only Chris Davidson may be able to tell for sure. FWIW, and I have old eyes, the two men appear in Bell as the limousine approaches and enters the underpass, and then in a later sequence as the camera cars move down Elm. In the second sequence it seems to me that the smaller of the two men has stepped back and the larger man is looking at the smaller - so the larger would be looking directly toward the switch box area. For me, even if everyone is looking the other way, the question is why would someone cross open-ground with a rifle to get within 20 feet of a witness that could turn at any second and THEN hide the weapon. I think that story only makes sense if there's no witness near the switch box. Particularly if shots, smoke and flashes have called attention away from Elm and toward the car park. Best to you, Jerry
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March 17, 2010, 10:15:15 PM
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I hadn't forgotten Jerry, but thanks for the reminder for any readers. thumbs1xx
Duncan - I knew it was somewhere in your gray cells but thought you might have been distracted by this week's DVD release of "The Twilight Saga: New Moon."
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March 17, 2010, 10:18:20 PM
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I believe you know more about Bell than I do - but only Chris Davidson may be able to tell for sure.
FWIW, and I have old eyes, the two men appear in Bell as the limousine approaches and enters the underpass, and then in a later sequence as the camera cars move down Elm.
In the second sequence it seems to me that the smaller of the two men has stepped back and the larger man is looking at the smaller - so the larger would be looking directly toward the switch box area.
Jerry. Interesting. Perhaps Chris D. - or someone else? - can share some high-quality frames from the relevant (i.e. second) Bell sequence? Until then, let's posit for argument's sake that the larger man is indeed looking in the direction of the switch box in this second sequence. What would our timestamp for this be? Cheers, Sean
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