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 April 18, 2009, 01:16:36 AM
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I noticed this second car immediately on looking at Rick's latest gif in the JFK Bonus Materials thread. Given the unknown then and now variables, I am still not convinced that we are not seeing the car as I have illustrated in the other thread. I now see a second darker car near the first white colored car. The shadows coming from the car appear to be consistent with the direction of shadows cast on Nov 22nd 1963. I have made an illustration using the last frame from Rick's animation, which to me appears to show a second car. I'm reminded of the old saying..If it looks like a Duck, Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, then it probably is a Duck. In this case, we appear to have 2 Ducks, neither of them being lame.  hat;;
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« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 05:21:48 AM by Duncan MacRae »
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March 06, 2010, 04:35:20 PM
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Duncan,
The blowup area is about the size of needle hole
when you take into account the size of the whole
image.
Rick, when your done, send me a copy of your
work and I will outline the area. Do you see the
man in front of the fence? And the man peeking
over the fence?
If I could only find the 30 x 40 blowup. Very
frustating. My scanner quite about a month ago.
My home has only partial electricty. So I guess
it would not really matter if the scanner was still
working.
By all means, go ahead and remove the slide
from the card board mounting. But please save
the card board mounting when returning my slide.
It has history tinfoilhat1
johnw
Do you see the
man in front of the fence? And the man peeking
over the fence? No John. Not yet. To the naked eye, and of course this
is a very small area on the slide/negative, I'm seeing
things NOT seen in my best Betzner 3 image. Just wish
that I could be seeing these much larger. I thought that I
would be able to scan the negative...enlarge it some...to
get a closer look see. But so far, this is not working out
so well.By all means, go ahead and remove the slide
from the card board mounting. But please save
the card board mounting when returning my slide.
It has history. I did remove the slide from the cardboard mounting
John....in my attempts to scan the slide. Maybe I should
try leaving the slide in its cardboard mounting when trying
to scan it? Hmm. I suppose I could give that a try. Wouldn't
hurt.
In any case, not to worry. I'm taking good care of the slide.
Could say I'm handling it with kids gloves (wink). I will be
sure to return it just as I received it and it will be in its
protective cardboard mounting.
hugsxx brolley1
Rick
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March 06, 2010, 05:37:45 PM
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Rick
Try using a loupe when viewing the slide.
If you have a digital camera, try using
the loupe and exposing an image.
Do you have a lightbox? If so, and the
lightbox has the white top, it should slide
off and replace with clear glass. With
the lights on, expose the image.
I just purchased a epson v-600 scanner.
If I can locate the original slide (better
yet the 30 x 40 blowup) there just hope.
Remember, the figures are there, your
tired and just too excited lmao
johnw
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« Last Edit: March 06, 2010, 05:39:12 PM by John Woods »
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March 17, 2010, 03:46:54 AM
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Personally, I think Ed Hoffman's story is very believable. He witnessed a dark suited man stand, position a rifle
between the pickets of the stockade fence, saw the flash and witnessed the smoke of a shot fired by this man, who
then turned and tossed the rifle to another man, who then dismantled the rifle and stowed it into a case, then
fled running towards the direction of the railroad cars. I have believed all along from when I first found this in the Nix
film, that we are seeing briefly some of that individuals "movements" as he was dismantling that rifle.
I would invite anyone to follow the link below and read Ed Hoffman's story for themselves.http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hoffmanx.htm 
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« Last Edit: March 17, 2010, 03:53:19 AM by Rick Needham »
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March 17, 2010, 01:49:58 PM
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Duncan, Let's look at Ed Hoffman's story as told in my link above:
On November 22nd, 1963, Ed Hoffman claims he stopped his car on the north-bound shoulder of the Stemmons Freeway just west of Dealy Plaza where President Kennedy's motorcade was soon to pass through. From where he said he was standing he was approximately 150 yards from the back side of the fence on the grassy knoll with a clear view of the entire area behind the fence. From Sloan's interview with Hoffman in 1992, the following is Hoffman's account of what he saw told through a sign language interpreter due to Hoffman's profound deafness and inability to speak English.
The train man was standing there behind the fence and beside the electrical box of some kind . . . He was holding a brown bag, and I thought it had something to do with his work at first. But then I noticed that he and the businessman kept walking around and they weren't staring down the street in the direction of the coming motorcade like everyone else was. They seemed more interested in the fence than in anything else.
I saw the man in the dark suit bend down and pick up something but I couldn't tell what he was doing. Then the train man came around and squatted down beside the other man for a while. A few seconds later I saw the businessman raise back up, and I was amazed to see that he was holding a gun- a long gun like a rifle. I thought 'How strange! What's he doing that for?' But then, almost in the same second, I thought, 'Well maybe he's a guard or something.' Then I noticed that the train man was armed, too. He had a pistol in his hand.
I could see that the top was down on the president's car and I could see the people inside waving to the crowds, although I couldn't make out who was who. Part of me wanted to concentrate on seeing the president, but I couldn't keep from looking back at the two men behind the fence. Just as I did look back the man in the business suit raised the gun. I saw him rest it on the pickets in the fence . . . and just then I saw spark of light and a puff of fluffy white smoke. The first thing that crossed my mind was that it might be from a cigarette but it was much too big for that.
When I realized it was a shot, I was totally shocked. I couldn't believe it!
An instant later, I saw the businessman turn back away from the fence, and as he turned around, I could clearly see the gun in his hand . . . Then, very quickly, he tossed the gun to over to the train man and started running. He ran past the parked cars and kept on going, running north into the railroad yards.
I saw the limousine with the flags coming very fast. I saw JFK and Jackie slumped down in the car as they passed right below me, and I saw the blood. I saw blood everywhere. I saw the president's foot hanging over the side of the car and I saw his head blown open. The side of the president's head looked like bowl of Jell-O.
I felt sick and I said to myself, 'Oh, my God, he's dead. With his head like that, he's bound to be dead.'
The train man was still standing there. I could see him very plainly. I watched him take the gun apart. I don't know how he did it because I don't know anything about guns, but he dismantled it and put inside a brown suitcase. Then he started running, too. He ran to the north into the railroad yards. I managed to keep him in sight until he ran behind a train. He ran right around the caboose and disappeared . . . .
In the very beginning, he does describe the railroad man as "beside the electrical box of some kind", but he then goes on to say "that he and the business man kept walking around and were not staring down the street in the direction of the coming motorcade like everyone else. They seemed more interested in the fence than anything else".
I think you are assuming that they were right there by the railroad electrical box, or junction box the entire time. I do not interpret his story this way. I have asked that when Ed views my animations, which I did email out last evening, that someone ask him that if where I am seeing movement behind the fence in the Nix film....is this where he remembers seeing them too. Hopefully I will have his answer very soon.
Rick
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« Last Edit: March 17, 2010, 01:54:24 PM by Rick Needham »
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March 17, 2010, 04:46:59 PM
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  Duncan, You're right to ask questions about Hoffman's story. However I'm not so sure there was a nice line of sight from the bridge to the spot where Hoffman says the rifle was dismantled - even if the folks on the bridge had for some reason decided to turn their heads 90 degrees away from the bedlam on the street below. Don't forget those stone elevations were much taller than any man. The steampipe over which the rifle was allegedly tossed may be a different story. FWIW Sean
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March 17, 2010, 09:01:00 PM
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Duncan,
You're right to ask questions about Hoffman's story.
However I'm not so sure there was a nice line of sight from the bridge to the spot where Hoffman says the rifle was dismantled - even if the folks on the bridge had for some reason decided to turn their heads 90 degrees away from the bedlam on the street below. Don't forget those stone elevations were much taller than any man.
The steampipe over which the rifle was allegedly tossed may be a different story.
FWIW
Sean
Hello Sean, It's nice to hear from you again! You and Duncan seem to have forgotten about the two men visible in Bell that would have right there - no questions about the pillars interfering with the view.   Best to you, Jerry
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