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 April 18, 2009, 01:16:36 AM
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I noticed this second car immediately on looking at Rick's latest gif in the JFK Bonus Materials thread. Given the unknown then and now variables, I am still not convinced that we are not seeing the car as I have illustrated in the other thread. I now see a second darker car near the first white colored car. The shadows coming from the car appear to be consistent with the direction of shadows cast on Nov 22nd 1963. I have made an illustration using the last frame from Rick's animation, which to me appears to show a second car. I'm reminded of the old saying..If it looks like a Duck, Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, then it probably is a Duck. In this case, we appear to have 2 Ducks, neither of them being lame. 
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« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 05:21:48 AM by Duncan MacRae »
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April 21, 2009, 01:00:21 PM
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Jerry said: One of the things that Rick has constantly mentioned is the way an extended object seems to pop above the fence near the "head". He has taken this to be a rifle in the process of being broken down and packed away(at super human speed). Hello Jerry, I never claimed the weapon to be broken down & packed away in the very short time frame shown in my animations. I simply said he is in the process of doing so. No one is that fast. But I'll bet is WAS done in record time though. Rest assured ;) Rick Hello Rick, Yes, that's right! That's why I also said "in the process of being broken down and packed away." I think you're optimistic about human speeds but not THAT optimistic! Jerry
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April 21, 2009, 01:18:55 PM
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The top edge of the sign on the lampost in relation to the fence, tells me that Nix was on a higher elevation that Hughes was.  Duncan hat;; Good observation Duncan. It looks like Hughes lense was actually lower located. I reviewed Richard B. Trasks book again and and read that Nix's keystone had an auto zoom. Thats the reason why the field of view in his frames are smaller and therefore main street just barely in sight. It can be, Hughes was a little bit forward positioned or even at the same location. Nix was 6 feet tall. It can be Hughes was not that tall. Most likely. Anyway, the lense height difference is obvious. But, it can't be too much. Just a view inches and certainly in the same line. Both images are a really good example how a few inches become meaningless when you focus at far away targets. Look at the lamp post and the sign on the left. What a fit. Altough both lenses are not in the same height. Thats why i said earlier Nix's height have to be 11 feet high to see a wheel well behind the fence. Thats almost Bronson's position on the pillar. So, i think both images are really good compareable at a view behind the fence and what can be seen. Martin
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April 21, 2009, 01:25:56 PM
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Rick, David and Duncan, thats too bad to hear about your losses. :-\ My condolence to you too. Life can be so hard. I lost my oldest brother 4 years on brain cancer. My mother 15 years ago on that  brain cancer too.
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April 21, 2009, 01:31:15 PM
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Duncan & Martin,
Please accept my condolences to both of you. Duncan for your mother, and Martin for your brother and your mother. Thank goodness life has many more good times than bad.
Rick
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April 21, 2009, 01:40:33 PM
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Duncan & Martin,
Please accept my condolences to both of you. Duncan for your mother, and Martin for your brother and your mother. Thank goodness life has many more good times than bad.
Rick
Thank you Rick. I miss them but you are right.
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April 21, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
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Duncan & Martin,
Please accept my condolences to both of you. Duncan for your mother, and Martin for your brother and your mother. Thank goodness life has many more good times than bad.
Rick
Thank you Rick. I miss them but you are right. :) You're welcome my friend. I miss my mother too.
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« Last Edit: April 21, 2009, 01:49:34 PM by Rick Needham »
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April 21, 2009, 01:59:41 PM
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Hello Martin,
It's late here as well. Perhaps a lot of our problem is misunderstanding. What really seems to have upset you is the Greer head turn. Since you've been checking on my posting history you might have noticed that I stopped posting in any forums for a long time while we were discussing Greer. That is because my sister's cancer took a bad turn at that time and she passed away. So I apologize for leaving you hanging on that issue and I'd be happy to re-engage at any time. I recall that we were having a very good discussion but circumstances intervened.
Also, I think you may have misunderstood my comments about Rick's enhancements. I was not being critical of them - Rick said I mangled his work and I was just explaining what I had done to them. I didn't think mine were technically superior to his in anyway. Rick's enlargements are really, really good - my problem is that Rick is using his ability to illustrate his point, making a case like a lawyer. So we don't get to see the other information in the film that casts doubt on his case. So he leaves out (inadvertently) the last three frames. He plays the frames at reduced speed so the motion looks humanly possible and he doesn't enlarge all the motion on the front of the fence so we don't notice that the shadows and branches are behaving a lot like his "gunman". Certainly Rick is entitled to make his case but it weakens his argument when he leaves out the problem material.
Finally, there is the question of your CAD rendering. And here I do have a genuine issue with you. Because we both know that any rendering can only be accurate if the data entered is accurate. We also both know that the Drommer Survey had no elevation data for Nix and especially for the car park. So you made some assumptions about the elevations but you did not make that clear when you presented the rendering. You offered it as based on Drommer data. And there was some Drommer data in the model (distance and fence elevation above the ground in front of the fence). But you know that the elevations in the car park are critical and there's no Drommer data for that. So I think your presentation of the CAD rendering lent more authority to the drawing than it actually possessed.
When I visited Dallas I obviously wasn't paying attention to wheel wells. At the time the train box cars in Nix were some type of issue so I was checking out the trains from Nix's position and my view of some of the train was blocked by several automobiles so I know I wasn't looking at just roofs. It's obvious that you can't see the wheels of a car parked immediately behind the fence, but I don't see why we can't see a car at some distance and the size of the possible "wheel well" would indicate a car at some distance. Rails are designed to be flat but you may not realize that the tracks slope upward as they approach the overpass. At least when I saw it the carpark was not a pool table.
OK, done for the night.
Again, my best to you.
Jerry
Jerry, the alleged car had to be staged on a 26 inches tall podest to be barely in sight 50 yards behind the fence. Thats the maximum point I see no indicator in that area, that this can be. Look in the attachement. And all this if other cars don't obscured the view to that ghost car. Listen to S.M. Holland and what he said in the video i posted earlier. I play no games here Jerry. It's really the truth. Martin
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April 21, 2009, 07:50:33 PM
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Jerry, the alleged car had to be staged on a 26 inches tall podest to be barely in sight 50 yards behind the fence. Thats the maximum point
I see no indicator in that area, that this can be. Look in the attachement.
And all this if other cars don't obscured the view to that ghost car.
Listen to S.M. Holland and what he said in the video i posted earlier.
I play no games here Jerry. It's really the truth.
Martin
Hi Martin, Please believe me I don't think you're playing games. I'm very sure you and Rick are sincere in your beliefs and you're not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes. But you have to realize that I was a reporter before becoming an attorney for thirty years. My natural inclination is to doubt everything (yes, including the WCR) and ask for convincing proof. So, for example, you think the car would have to be impossibly far to be seen, 50 yards or more - yet, it appears to me that the endpoint for the LOS you've drawn is 150-180 feet beyond the fence. Right where you say it should be. Moreover, at that point the tracks are sloping upward to cross the overpass so I don't think 26 inches (higher than the ground in front of the fence) is impossible. Sadly, I don't think we'll ever know for sure because it appears to me that tracks have been torn out and added, the entire area regraded and paved. So whatever we see over the fence now is going to be a poor indicator of what we could see in 1963. My best to you, Jerry
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April 21, 2009, 07:57:04 PM
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Rick, David and Duncan, thats too bad to hear about your losses. :-\ My condolence to you too. Life can be so hard. I lost my oldest brother 4 years on brain cancer. My mother 15 years ago on that brain cancer too. Martin, You appear young to me. The loss of your mother and such a close sibling must have been nearly unbearable. I'm so sorry for your great loss. My very best to you, Jerry
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